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Offline Kolar

Re: Question about Baptism
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2021, 07:05:08 AM »
Heresy, Apostasy and Schism are generally public sins. You cannot just go to confession and get private absolution. If you have joined a protestant sect or denied Our Lord Jesus Christ by being ritually circuŠ¼cised to become a Jew. You are outside the Church. You must make a public profession of Faith and a public renunciation of your errors just as a heretic or Jew who converts must do. Then you can get absolution.
The separation from the Church is public the rejoining the Church must also be public. If it is not public then Catholics must continue to avoid you. It would be a scandal for a priest to give Holy Communion to someone who had left the Church after only a private absolution.
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Re: Question about Baptism
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2021, 07:31:41 AM »
Quote from: Kolar on January 13, 2021, 07:05:08 AM
Heresy, Apostasy and Schism are generally public sins. You cannot just go to confession and get private absolution. If you have joined a protestant sect or denied Our Lord Jesus Christ by being ritually circuŠ¼cised to become a Jew. You are outside the Church. You must make a public profession of Faith and a public renunciation of your errors just as a heretic or Jew who converts must do. Then you can get absolution.
The separation from the Church is public the rejoining the Church must also be public. If it is not public then Catholics must continue to avoid you. It would be a scandal for a priest to give Holy Communion to someone who had left the Church after only a private absolution.
I too have heard this before, I'm not even sure where I heard it,  but this is patently false. The Abjuration of Heresy is used primarily for adult converts seeking to enter the Church prior to their baptism or conditional baptism. Otherwise, it is not a requirement for the remission of those sins - unless required by the official censure itself, or the pope or bishop or confessor requires it.

To be forgiven, all the penitent has to do is the exact same thing all penitent Catholics do for the remission of their sins - go to confession.
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Offline Kolar

Re: Question about Baptism
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2021, 05:50:41 PM »
If a person becomes a heretic not just privately doubting a truth of faith, but an actual heretic. Or an Apostate which means denying Our Lord Jesus Christ.
He gets absolved secretly in the confessional. Then shows up at the Communion Rail. The faithful are rightly scandalized that this heretic is given Communion. The priest can say nothing. He cannot say I gave him absolution from his sin. The priest cannot explain because it is all secret and under the seal of the confessional.

He is outside the Church and must re-enter it in the same public way that any heretic or infidel enters it.
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Re: Question about Baptism
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2021, 05:05:47 AM »
Quote from: Kolar on January 13, 2021, 05:50:41 PM
If a person becomes a heretic not just privately doubting a truth of faith, but an actual heretic. Or an Apostate which means denying Our Lord Jesus Christ.
He gets absolved secretly in the confessional. Then shows up at the Communion Rail. The faithful are rightly scandalized that this heretic is given Communion. The priest can say nothing. He cannot say I gave him absolution from his sin. The priest cannot explain because it is all secret and under the seal of the confessional.

He is outside the Church and must re-enter it in the same public way that any heretic or infidel enters it.
Negative.

The penitent's sins are forgiven in the sacrament of penance. This is the only thing necessary for the forgiveness of sins. Public abjuration is not part of the sacrament, never has been. One of the reasons those sins are the worst of mortal sins is because they are typically accompanied with so much obstinacy and wilful, vehement opposing of the true faith, that men who are guilty of it seldom or ever return to the faith, but this is due to their own obstinacy.

When we go to confession, no matter what our sin(s), even the above sins, the priest *first* removes whatever censure the Church may have attached to our sins, *then* he forgives the sin:
".... May our Lord Jesus Christ absolve you: and I, by His authority, absolve you from every bond of excommunication, (suspension (for clerics)), and interdict, in so far as I am able and you are needful. Next, I absolve you from your sins, in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen."

The forgiveness of those sins are given in the sacrament alone, which is something those outside of the Church have no access to, the remission of those sins is in no way dependent upon a public abjuration.


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