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« on: November 04, 2015, 05:33:19 PM »
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    By Purgatory we mean a place where souls suffer for a time after death on account of their sins, 1 Cor. iii. 15: "Some shall be saved, yet so as by fire.'' We are In communion with the souls in Purgatory by helping them with our prayers and good works.--Catechism

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    « Reply #1 on: November 04, 2015, 11:26:40 PM »
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  • “I know when you pray for me, and it is the same with all of the other souls here in Purgatory. Very few of us here get any prayers; the majority of us are totally abandoned, with no thought or prayers offered for us from those on earth” (Message from a soul in Purgatory)

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    « Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 11:39:33 PM »
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  • St Padre Pio’s visions of the souls in Purgatory

    In May, 1922, Padre Pio testified the following to the Bishop of Melfi, His Excellency Alberto Costa and also the superior of the friary, Padre Lorenzo of San Marco along with 5 other friars. One of the five friars, Fra Alberto D' Apolito of San Giovanni Rotondo wrote down the account as follows:

    "While in the friary on a winter afternoon after a heavy snowfall, he was sitting by the fireplace one evening in the guest room, absorbed in prayer, when an old man, wearing an old-fashioned cloak still worn by southern Italian peasants at the time, sat down beside him. Concerning this man Pio states: ‘I could not imagine how he could have entered the friary at this time of night since all the doors are locked. I questioned him: 'Who are you? What do you want?'

    The old man told him, "Padre Pio, I am Pietro Di Mauro, son of Nicola, nicknamed Precoco." He went on to say, "I died in this friary on the 18th of September, 1908, in cell number 4, when it was still a poorhouse. One night, while in bed, I fell asleep with a lighted cigar, which ignited the mattress and I died, suffocated and burned. I am still in Purgatory. I need a holy Mass in order to be freed. God permitted that I come and ask you for help."

    According to Padre Pio: "After listening to him, I replied, 'Rest assured that tomorrow I will celebrate Mass for your liberation.' I arose and accompanied him to the door of the friary, so that he could leave. I did not realize at that moment that the door was closed and locked: I opened it and bade him farewell The moon lit up the square, covered with snow. When I no longer saw him in front of me, I was taken by a sense of fear, and I closed the door, reentered the guest room, and felt faint.”

    A few days later, Padre Pio also told the story to Padre Paolino, and the two decided to go to the town hall, where they looked at the vital statistics for the year I908 and found that on September 18 of that year, one Pietro Di Mauro had in fact died of burns and asphyxiation in Room Number 4 at the friary, then used as a home for the homeless.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2015, 12:36:25 AM »
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  • Around the same time, Padre Pio told Fra Alberto of another apparition of a soul from Purgatory which also occurred around the same time. He said:

    One evening, when I was absorbed in prayer in the choir of the little church I was shaken and disturbed by the sound of footsteps, and candles and flower vases being moved on the main altar. Thinking that someone must be there, I called out, "Who is it?"

    No one answered. Returning to prayer, I was again disturbed by the same noises. In fact, this time I had the impression that one of the candles, which was in front of the statue of Our Lady of Grace, had fallen. Wanting to see what was happening on the altar, I stood up, went close to the grate and saw, in the shadow of the light of the Tabernacle lamp, a young confrere doing some cleaning. I yelled out, "What are you doing in the dark?" The little friar answered, "I am cleaning."

    "You clean in the dark?" I asked. "Who are you?"

    The little friar said, ‘I am a Capuchin novice, who spends his time of Purgatory here. I am in need of prayers.’ and then he disappeared,"

    Padre Pio stated that he immediately began praying for him as requested, and it is not known if he had any further dealings with this particular soul. However, in regards souls in Purgatory it is very interesting to note that later in life Padre Pio once said that ‘As many souls of the dead come up this road [to the monastery] as that of the souls of the living.” Without a doubt, many souls from Purgatory visited Padre Pio seeking his prayers, sacrifices and sufferings to obtain their release.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 07, 2015, 02:49:29 AM »
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    Padre Pio's encounters with the Holy Souls in Purgatory became frequent in his later years, to the point where it was an everyday experience for him.  

    The story is told that during a meal in the refectory, suddenly Padre Pio arose and went to answer the front door, even though none of the other friars present had heard anyone knocking.  He stood in the ajar doorway speaking to someone outside, and this attracted the attention of some of the others present at the meal whereby they went close to the door to listen and see for themselves.  As they peeked around Padre Pio they could see no one outside the door, yet the Padre continued to talk toward the outdoors.

    He was saying things that he would have said to any passing friends who were not about to stop in but were only being polite by offering their greetings as they passed down the road.

    After a few moments, Padre Pio waved 'good-bye' and closed the door, then returning to his seat at table, leaving the other friars gathered at the door, who opened the door again and looked outside to see an empty porch and an empty road beyond.

    Puzzled, they too returned to table, asking Padre Pio to whom he had been speaking, outside the door.  He replied, Oh, those were so-and-so (he mentioned a few specific names), who were thanking us for our help in their release from Purgatory.  

    Padre Pio greeted souls like this on their way to paradise every day, and had something like a personal friendship with them, so as to greet and bid farewell as though it were a very normal part of life for him.

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    « Reply #5 on: November 10, 2015, 12:04:03 AM »
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  • From the manuscript of Sister M. de L.C., written from 1874-1890

    To get an idea of how Purgatory is arranged, we can get a good glimpse of it from a nun from France who had died on February 22, 1871 at the age of 36, and 2-1/2 years later (in November 1873) she began appearing from Purgatory to a fellow nun in her convent, named Sister M. de L.C (name kept anonymous in the manuscript to protect the nuns identity, as the manuscript was published while the nun was still living) as related in the booklet “An Unpublished Manuscript on Purgatory” published by The Reparation Society of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Inc., 2002:

    “I can tell you about the different degrees of Purgatory because I have passed through them. In the great Purgatory there are several stages. In the lowest and most painful, it is like a temporary hell, and here there are the sinners who have committed terrible crimes during life and whose death surprised them in that state. It was almost a miracle that they were saved, and often by the prayers of holy parents or other pious persons. Sometimes they did not even have time to confess their sins and the world thought them lost, but God, whose mercy is infinite, gave them at the moment of death the contrition necessary for their salvation on account of one or more good actions which they performed during life. For such souls, Purgatory is terrible. It is a real hell with this difference, that in hell they curse God, whereas we bless Him and thank Him for having saved us.

    Next to these come the souls, who though they did not com¬mit great crimes like the others, were indifferent to God. They did not fulfill their Easter duties and were also converted at the point of death. Many were unable to receive Holy Communion. They are in Purgatory for the long years of indifference. They suffer unheard of pains and are abandoned either without prayers or if they are said for them, they are not allowed to profit by them. There are in this stage of Purgatory religious of both sexes, who were tepid, neglectful of their duties, indifferent towards Jesus, also priests who did not exercise their sacred ministry with the reverence due to the Sovereign Majesty and who did not instill the love of God sufficiently into the souls confided to their care. I was in this stage of Purgatory.

    In the second Purgatory are the souls of those who died with venial sins not fully expiated before death, or with mortal sins that have been forgiven but for which they have not made entire satisfaction to the Divine Justice. In this part of Purgatory, there are also different degrees according to the merits of each soul.

    Thus the Purgatory of the consecrated souls or of those who have received more abundant graces, is longer and far more painful than that of ordinary people of the world.

    Lastly, there is the Purgatory of desire which is called the Threshold. Very few escape this. To avoid it altogether, one must ardently desire Heaven and the vision of God. That is rare, rarer than people think, because even pious people are afraid of God and have not, therefore, a sufficiently strong desire of going to Heaven. This Purgatory has its very painful martyrdom like the others. The deprivation of the sight of our loving Jesus adds to the intense suffering.”

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    « Reply #6 on: November 10, 2015, 01:04:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    From the manuscript of Sister M. de L.C., written from 1874-1890...

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    Very lucid (and sobering) insights.

    While all here believe in Purgatory, we do meet Protestants who ridicule the existence of Purgatory. This online tract may be helpful in explaining the biblical exposition of Purgatory: http://judaism101.proboards dot com/thread/37/say-purgatory-bible

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    "It don't say 'purgatory' in the Bible"


    The word “purgatory” comes from the Latin “purgare,” to purify. These verses cited here refer to “purifying,” “cleansing,” and the need of the dead for our prayers. Please keep in mind a simple concept: the Old and New Testaments were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek—NOT English.

    Again I refer you to the BIBLE, the Book of the Apocalypse 21:27, that nothing unclean enters Heaven:

    There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.


    Cleansing and purification are necessary.

    Purgatory is a temporary state of purification for those who have died in a state of grace, but who still have lingering imperfections that warrant cleansing (e.g., venial sins, earthly attachments, self-will).

    Notice that even in the Old Testament it was taught to pray for the dead. If the deceased went to hell for an eternity, why pray? Those in hell cannot be helped. If the deceased went directly to heaven for an eternity, why pray? Those already in Heaven do not need our help. So, why pray for the dead? Because those who die in a state of grace, still need to be cleansed.

    Purgatory appears in both the Old Testament AND the New Testament. The verses do not say “purgatory,” but the verses speak of the need to pray for the dead for their cleansing and purification, of being “in the dark” until God brings the dead “into the light,” the need for perfection, etc.:

    2 Maccabees 12:46

    
Leviticus 26:41,43
    


Isaias 4:4; 6:5-7; 33:11-13

    
Micheas 7:8-9


    Zacharias 9:11
    Matthew 5:25-26, 48; 12:32-36; 18:34ff

    
Luke 12:58ff; 16:19-31


    1 Corinthians 3:10-16


    2 Corinthians 5:10; 7:1


    Ephesians 4:8-10
    

Philippians 2:10-11

    
Hebrews 12:14, 29
    

James 3:2
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Peter 3:19; 4:6


    Apocalypse 5:3, 13; 21:7

    Instead of talking about the Bible, Protestants should READ it… intelligently.

    Catholics do have the advantage because we believe the Bible, including 2 Thessalonians 2:14: “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.”

    Yes, the Bible commands you to observe not just the written word, but also the authentic oral Apostolic Tradition. So, while those verses do not contain the English word “purgatory,” they most definitely teach that the dead need our prayers during the time of their purification in Purgatory before entering heaven.


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    « Reply #7 on: November 10, 2015, 11:26:51 PM »
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  • Another explanation of the levels in Purgatory from this same book:

    Retreat, August 1878: “Great sinners who were indifferent towards God, and religious who were not what they should have been are in the lowest stage of Purgatory. While they are there, the prayers offered up for them are not applied to them. Because they have ignored God during their life, He now in His turn leaves them abandoned in order that they may repair their neglectful and worthless lives. While on earth one truly cannot picture or imagine what God really is, but we (in Purgatory) know and understand Him for what He is, because our souls are freed from all the ties that fettered them and prevented them from realizing the holiness and majesty of God and His great mercy. We are martyrs, consumed as it were by love. An irresistible force draws us towards God who is our center, but at the same time another force thrusts us back to our place of expiation.

    We are in the state of being unable to satisfy our longings. Oh, what a suffering that is, but we desire it and there is no murmuring against God here. We desire only what God wants. You on earth, however, cannot possibly understand what we have to endure. I am much relieved as I am no longer in the fire. I have now only the insatiable desire to see God, a suffering cruel enough indeed, but I feel that the end of my exile is at hand and that I am soon to leave this place where I long for God with all my heart. I know it well, I feel more at ease, but I cannot tell you the day or the hour of my release. God alone knows that. It may be that I have still many years of longing for Heaven. Continue to pray; I will repay you later on, though I do pray a great deal for you now.”

    Why is it that I pray for you with less fervor than I pray for others and that often I forget to recommend you?

    Do not trouble yourself about that. It is a punishment for me.

    Even if you prayed more I should not be any the more relieved. God wills it thus. If He wants you to pray more He will inspire you to do so. I repeat again, do not be worried about me. You will never see me in my sufferings. Later on, when your soul is stronger, you will see souls in Purgatory and very awful ones, but let this not frighten you. God will then give you the neces¬sary courage and all that you need to accomplish His holy will.

    Is this not a punishment?

    No, certainly not, I am here for my relief and for your sanctification. If you would but pay a little more attention to what I say.

    That is true but these happenings are so extraordinary that I do not know what to make of them; it is not an ordinary thing to hear you in this way.

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    « Reply #8 on: November 11, 2015, 03:44:22 AM »
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  • Quote from: Mark 79
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    From the manuscript of Sister M. de L.C., written from 1874-1890...

    http://gloria.tv/?media=290092


    Very lucid (and sobering) insights.

    While all here believe in Purgatory, we do meet Protestants who ridicule the existence of Purgatory. This online tract may be helpful in explaining the biblical exposition of Purgatory: http://judaism101.proboards dot com/thread/37/say-purgatory-bible

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    "It don't say 'purgatory' in the Bible"


    The word “purgatory” comes from the Latin “purgare,” to purify. These verses cited here refer to “purifying,” “cleansing,” and the need of the dead for our prayers. Please keep in mind a simple concept: the Old and New Testaments were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek—NOT English.

    Again I refer you to the BIBLE, the Book of the Apocalypse 21:27, that nothing unclean enters Heaven:

    There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.


    Cleansing and purification are necessary.

    Purgatory is a temporary state of purification for those who have died in a state of grace, but who still have lingering imperfections that warrant cleansing (e.g., venial sins, earthly attachments, self-will).

    Notice that even in the Old Testament it was taught to pray for the dead. If the deceased went to hell for an eternity, why pray? Those in hell cannot be helped. If the deceased went directly to heaven for an eternity, why pray? Those already in Heaven do not need our help. So, why pray for the dead? Because those who die in a state of grace, still need to be cleansed.

    Purgatory appears in both the Old Testament AND the New Testament. The verses do not say “purgatory,” but the verses speak of the need to pray for the dead for their cleansing and purification, of being “in the dark” until God brings the dead “into the light,” the need for perfection, etc.:

    2 Maccabees 12:46

    
Leviticus 26:41,43
    


Isaias 4:4; 6:5-7; 33:11-13

    
Micheas 7:8-9


    Zacharias 9:11
    Matthew 5:25-26, 48; 12:32-36; 18:34ff

    
Luke 12:58ff; 16:19-31


    1 Corinthians 3:10-16


    2 Corinthians 5:10; 7:1


    Ephesians 4:8-10
    

Philippians 2:10-11

    
Hebrews 12:14, 29
    

James 3:2
1
    
Peter 3:19; 4:6


    Apocalypse 5:3, 13; 21:7

    Instead of talking about the Bible, Protestants should READ it… intelligently.

    Catholics do have the advantage because we believe the Bible, including 2 Thessalonians 2:14: “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.”

    Yes, the Bible commands you to observe not just the written word, but also the authentic oral Apostolic Tradition. So, while those verses do not contain the English word “purgatory,” they most definitely teach that the dead need our prayers during the time of their purification in Purgatory before entering heaven.


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    Good points.

    There are a lot of dogmatic truths in Christianity not specifically mentioned in the Bible.  

    Transubstantiation is not in the Bible by name.
    The Immaculate Conception is not literally there, nor is the Assumption of Mary.
    Papal infallibility is not specifically found in the Bible, by name.
    "Outside the Church there is no salvation" isn't found either.
    The Blessed Trinity is not literally found in Scripture, but it can be deduced.

    I have heard good preachers say that the principal difference between Protestantism and Catholicism is that the Church teaches that Scripture and Sacred Tradition have EQUAL authority, in fact, Scripture owes its existence to the prior existence of Tradition, since for the first 3 centuries there was no New Testament, and it eventually emerged out of Tradition.  So Tradition comes first, then came Scripture.

    Relying on the Bible alone is akin to trying to fly an airplane with one wing missing.

    Aviators can relate to that right away.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 11, 2015, 09:33:32 PM »
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  • FRIENDS OF THE SUFFERING SOULS

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    « Reply #10 on: November 11, 2015, 11:14:01 PM »
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  • "Outside the Church there is no salvation" isn't found either.

    Actually you can find this implied;

    From Acts:27:29-31

    29 Fearing that we would run aground on a rocky coast, they dropped four anchors from the stern and prayed for day to come. 30 The sailors then tried to abandon ship; they lowered the dinghy to the sea on the pretext of going to lay out anchors from the bow. 31 But Paul said to the centurion and the soldiers, "Unless these men stay with the ship, you cannot be saved."


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    « Reply #11 on: November 11, 2015, 11:19:18 PM »
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  •  I understand well your difficulty and I am aware of your sufferings on this account. However, if God wishes it and it relieves me, you will have pity on me, will you not? When I am released you will see that I will do far more for you than you have ever done for me. I already pray much for you.

    Where is Sister --?

    In the lowest Purgatory, where she receives no benefit from anyone's prayers. God is often displeased, if one may speak thus, when many religious come to die, because He has called these souls to Himself that they might serve Him faithfully on earth and go straight to Heaven at the moment of death, but because of their infidelity, they have to stay long in Purgatory - far longer than people in the world who have not had so many graces.

    1879, Retreat in September. We see St. Michael as we see the angels. He has no body. He comes to get the souls that have finished their purification. It is he who conducts them to Heaven. He is among the Seraphim as Monsignor said. He is the highest angel in Heaven. Our own Guardian Angels come to see us but St. Michael is far more beautiful than they are. As to the Blessed Virgin, we see her in the body. She comes to Purgatory on her feasts and she goes back to Heaven with many souls. While she is with us we do not suffer. St. Michael accompanies her. When he comes alone, we suffer as usual. When I spoke to you of the great and the second Purgatory, it was to try to make you understand that there are different stages in Purgatory. Thus I call that stage of Purgatory “great” or “worst” where the most guilty souls are, and where I stayed for two years without being able to give a sign of the torments I was suffering. The year when you heard me groaning, when I began to speak to you, I was still in the same place.

    In the second Purgatory, which is still Purgatory but very different from the first, one suffers a great deal, but less than in the great place of expiation. Then there is a third stage, which is the Purgatory of desire, where there is no fire. The souls who did not desire Heaven ardently enough, who did not love God suf¬ficiently, are there. It is there that I am at this moment. Further, in these three parts of Purgatory, there are many degrees of vari¬ation. Little by little, as the soul becomes purified, her sufferings are changed.

    You sometimes say to me that the perfecting of a soul is a long process and you are also astonished that after so many prayers, I am so long deprived of the sight of God. Alas, the perfecting of a soul does not take any less time in Purgatory than upon earth. There are a number of souls, but they are very few, who have only a few venial sins to expiate. These do not stay long in Purgatory. A few well-said prayers, a few sacrifices soon deliver them. But when there are souls like mine - and that is nearly all whose lives have been so empty and who paid little or no attention to their salvation - then their whole life has to be begun over again in this place of expiation. The soul has to perfect itself and love and desire Him, whom it did not love sufficiently on earth. This is the reason why the deliverance of some souls is delayed. God has given me a very great grace in allowing me to ask for prayers. I did not deserve it, but without this I would have remained like most of those here, for years and years more.”

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    « Reply #12 on: November 12, 2015, 12:21:30 AM »
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  • THE LORD’S PRAYER — For the Souls of the Dead

    When once Saint Mechtilde offered her Holy Communion for the souls of those who have died, Jesus appeared to her and said. “Say just one ‘Our Father’ for them. “She understood that this prayer has to he said in the following way. Having prayed in the manner instructed by Christ Our Lord, she saw innumerable souls entering Heaven. (Bk5 Chapter 21)

    Our Father Who art in heaven:


    We ask you to forgive the souls remaining in purgatory, for not loving You, for not giving You the praise You deserve, their most loving Father, who chose them as beloved children, out of particular grace and mercy. Indeed, they dismissed You from their hearts, where You chose to make Your home – and always longed to abide. We now offer to You in reparation on their behalf, the love and praise Your beloved Son offered to You on this earth. We offer these with His perfect atonement through which You forgave all their sins. Amen.

    Hallowed be Thy Name:


    We ask you to forgive the souls of those who died for not praising Your most Holy Name, for not using Your Name with sufficient piety during their lives, for so often taking Your Name in vain—and throughout their lives becoming unworthy of being called Christians. Therefore in reparation of their great sins, we offer You the perfect Holiness of Your Beloved Son, who praised Your Holy Name and made it known in His teachings and in all His Holy deeds on earth. Amen.

    Thy Kingdom Come:

    We ask You, Gracious Father, to forgive the souls of those who have died, who never longed for You nor attempted even to strive for Your Kingdom – where there is constant everlasting peace and where joy and glory ever reign. In reparation for their indifference in accomplishing any good deeds during their lives, we offer You the Holy desires of Your Most Holy Son, through which He longed for us all to partake in His Kingdom. Amen.

    Thy Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven:

    We ask you, Dearest Father, to forgive the souls of those who have died especially souls of religious orders who made their will into Yours – and who did not always love Thy Will, but often lived according to their own will – and opposed Your Will. In reparation of their disobedience, we offer You the union of the Sacred Heart with Your Will, His obedience to You, in which He remained unto His death on the cross.
    Amen.

    Give us the day our daily bread:


    We ask You, Gracious Father, to forgive the souls of the dead, for not receiving the Blessed Sacrament with sufficient longing and piety, without love so often, and considerable numbers of them – unworthily, infrequently or even not at all. For these sins of theirs, in reparation, we offer You the unfathomable holiness, ardent love and longing with which Your Son gave us all the precious gift of His Body and Blood. Amen.

    And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us:


    We ask You, most Merciful Father, to forgive the souls who have died, all the mortal sins they committed in their lives and particularly to forgive all the people who offended them. Please forgive them for not loving their enemies. For all these sins, we offer to You in reparation the sweetest prayer of Jesus on the cross – when He prayed to You for His enemies. Amen.

    And lead us not into temptation:


    We ask You, Kindest Father, to forgive the souls of the dead, for not resisting anger and lust, that so often they obeyed the whispers of Satan and their own flesh thereby with such numerous sins disfiguring their souls. In reparation we offer You the Glorious Victory of Your Son – over the world and the Devil. We offer also the whole of His most holy life with all His works, labours, passion and death. Amen.

    But deliver us from evil:


    And all the souls remaining in purgatory – save them all from all evil and from all punishment. We ask this through the merits of Your Beloved Son. Lead us to Your Kingdom of Glory, the Glory which You, Yourself, are, Amen


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    « Reply #13 on: November 13, 2015, 12:06:26 AM »
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  •  I understand well your difficulty and I am aware of your sufferings on this account. However, if God wishes it and it relieves me, you will have pity on me, will you not? When I am released you will see that I will do far more for you than you have ever done for me. I already pray much for you.

    Where is Sister --?

    In the lowest Purgatory, where she receives no benefit from anyone's prayers. God is often displeased, if one may speak thus, when many religious come to die, because He has called these souls to Himself that they might serve Him faithfully on earth and go straight to Heaven at the moment of death, but because of their infidelity, they have to stay long in Purgatory - far longer than people in the world who have not had so many graces.

    1879, Retreat in September. We see St. Michael as we see the angels. He has no body. He comes to get the souls that have finished their purification. It is he who conducts them to Heaven. He is among the Seraphim as Monsignor said. He is the highest angel in Heaven. Our own Guardian Angels come to see us but St. Michael is far more beautiful than they are. As to the Blessed Virgin, we see her in the body. She comes to Purgatory on her feasts and she goes back to Heaven with many souls. While she is with us we do not suffer. St. Michael accompanies her. When he comes alone, we suffer as usual. When I spoke to you of the great and the second Purgatory, it was to try to make you understand that there are different stages in Purgatory. Thus I call that stage of Purgatory “great” or “worst” where the most guilty souls are, and where I stayed for two years without being able to give a sign of the torments I was suffering. The year when you heard me groaning, when I began to speak to you, I was still in the same place.

    In the second Purgatory, which is still Purgatory but very different from the first, one suffers a great deal, but less than in the great place of expiation. Then there is a third stage, which is the Purgatory of desire, where there is no fire. The souls who did not desire Heaven ardently enough, who did not love God suf¬ficiently, are there. It is there that I am at this moment. Further, in these three parts of Purgatory, there are many degrees of vari¬ation. Little by little, as the soul becomes purified, her sufferings are changed.


    You sometimes say to me that the perfecting of a soul is a long process and you are also astonished that after so many prayers, I am so long deprived of the sight of God. Alas, the perfecting of a soul does not take any less time in Purgatory than upon earth. There are a number of souls, but they are very few, who have only a few venial sins to expiate. These do not stay long in Purgatory. A few well-said prayers, a few sacrifices soon deliver them. But when there are souls like mine - and that is nearly all whose lives have been so empty and who paid little or no attention to their salvation - then their whole life has to be begun over again in this place of expiation. The soul has to perfect itself and love and desire Him, whom it did not love sufficiently on earth. This is the reason why the deliverance of some souls is delayed. God has given me a very great grace in allowing me to ask for prayers. I did not deserve it, but without this I would have remained like most of those here, for years and years more.”

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    « Reply #14 on: November 13, 2015, 11:30:47 PM »
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  • The immense power of the Mass for the souls in Purgatory

    Next, from the excellent book “Purgatory –Explained by the Lives and Legends of the Saints” by Father F.X. Schouppe, S.J., Tan Books, 1986 we read the following accounts which highlight the power and importance of offering holy Masses for the departed. The following is a sincere testimony from the person who experienced several visits from a soul in purgatory, and thus she provides a detailed and frank eye-witness account with regard to the facts:

    On October 13, 1849, there died at the age of fifty-two, in the parish of Ardoye, in Flanders, a woman named Eugenie Van de Kerckove, whose husband, John Wybo, was a farmer. She was a pious and charitable woman who generously gave to charity in proportionate to her means. She had, to the end of her life, a great devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, and abstained from meat in her honor on the Friday and Saturday of each week. Although her conduct was not free from certain faults, she otherwise led a exemplary and edifying life.

    Eugenie had a servant named Barbara Vennecke, aged twenty-eight, who was known as a virtuous and devoted girl, and who had assisted her mistress in her last sickness, and after Eugenie’s death, she continued to serve her master, John Wybo, the widower of Eugenie.

    About three weeks after her death, the deceased appeared to her servant under circumstances which we will now relate. It was in the middle of the night; Barbara slept soundly, when she heard herself called distinctly three times by her name. She awoke with a start, and saw Eugenie before her, sitting on the side of her bed, clad in a working dress, consisting of a skirt and short jacket. At this remarkable sight, Barbara was seized with astonishment. The apparition spoke to her: “Barbara," she said, simply pronouncing her name. “What do you desire, Eugenie?" replied the servant.

    ‘Please take," said the mistress, “the little rake which I often told you to put in its place; stir the heap of sand in the little room; you know to which one I refer. You will find there 500 franks; use it to have Masses said, two francs for each Mass, for my intention, for I am still suffering." “I will do so, Eugenie," replied Barbara, and at the same moment the apparition vanished. After awhile she fell asleep again, and reposed quietly until morning:

    On awaking, Barbara thought that maybe it was all just a dream, but yet she had been so deeply impressed, so wide awake, she had seen her old mistress in a form so distinct, so full of life and she had received from her lips such precise directions, that she could not help saying, “This cannot have been a dream. I saw my mistress in person; she presented herself to my eyes and she surely spoke to me. It is no dream, but a reality."

    She therefore immediately went and took the rake as directed, stirred the sand, and drew out a purse containing the sum of five hundred francs.

    In such strange and extraordinary circumstances the good girl thought it her duty to seek the advice of her pastor before spending the 500 francs on having Masses said, and went to relate to him all that had happened. The venerable Abbe R., then parish priest of Ardoye, replied that the Masses asked by the departed soul absolutely must be celebrated, but, in order to dispose of the sum of money, the consent of the husband, John Wybo, was necessary, since the money was found in his house. The latter willingly consented that the money should be employed for so holy a purpose, and the Masses were celebrated, being given two francs for each Mass.

    We call attention to the circumstance of the Mass donations, because it corresponded with the pious cus¬tom of the deceased. The fee for a Mass fixed by the diocese at that time was a franc and a half, but during her lifetime Eugenie-through consideration and charity for the clergy, many of whom were quite poor- always gave two francs for each Mass that she made offerings for. Thus the extra 1/2 a frank Mass offering that she normally made was an act of charity and additional financial support for the priests who celebrated them.

    Two months after the first apparition, while Masses were still being said for Eugenie’s intentions, Barbara was again awakened during the night. This time her chamber was illuminated with a bright light, and her mistress appeared before her with a radiant smile, beautiful and fresh in appearance as in the days of her youth, and was dressed in a robe of dazzling whiteness—“Barbara," she said in a clear voice, “I thank you! For I am now delivered from the place of purification.' Saying these words, she disappeared, and the chamber became dark as before.

    The servant, amazed at what she had just seen, was full of joy, and she soon spread the remarkable story to everyone about the town . This apparition made the most lively impression upon her mind, and she pre¬serves to this day the most consoling remembrance of it. It is from her that we have these details, through the favor of the venerable Abbe L., who was curate at Ardoye when these facts occurred.


    This is but one of the many stories in regards to the power and efficacy of the Holy Mass wherein the Son of God Himself offers Himself upon the altar for the forgiveness of our sins, for it is a fact that of all that we can do in favor of the souls in Purgatory, there is nothing more powerful and precious than the offering of immolation of our Divine Saviour upon the altar. Besides being the express doctrine of the Church as manifested in her Councils, there are many mirac¬ulous facts, properly authenticated, which leave no room for doubt in regard to this point.

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