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Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
« on: August 17, 2021, 08:23:38 AM »
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  • I'm a bit confused and a little more than shaken. I was listening to a Fr. Hewko sermon and he stated that according to Canon Law sending your kids to public school is an excommunicable offense. He didn't state which canon it was, so I'm not sure where he's referring to.

    What are parents to do when they have no options for private Catholic schooling, and aren't fit for homeschooling? I don't have an option for Catholic schooling (that isn't Novus Ordo) and I'm not much of a teacher, and my wife certainly isn't fit for it. So what do I do? I'm basically damned if I do and damned if I don’t.
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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #1 on: August 17, 2021, 08:38:45 AM »
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  • I'm a bit confused and a little more than shaken. I was listening to a Fr. Hewko sermon and he stated that according to Canon Law sending your kids to public school is an excommunicable offense. He didn't state which canon it was, so I'm not sure where he's referring to.

    What are parents to do when they have no options for private Catholic schooling, and aren't fit for homeschooling? I don't have an option for Catholic schooling (that isn't Novus Ordo) and I'm not much of a teacher, and my wife certainly isn't fit for it. So what do I do? I'm basically damned if I do and damned if I don’t.
    Catholics schools are far more dangerous than public schools.  Sex Ed in our area was in Catholic schools in 60’s whereas it didn’t reach the public schools until 1980’s.
    More atheists and queer’s coming out of the Catholic schools and universities.  Communism is just hitting public schools in rural areas.   

    The biggest problem with children is cell phones, tv, etc.  you need to detox the children from that and from any school. 

    What helped many parents who can’t school children was to join homeschool co op. 
    And you and your wife are probably better teachers that are now in any school. 





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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #2 on: August 17, 2021, 08:42:42 AM »
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  • “Catholic children may not attend non-Catholic, neutral, or mixed-schools, that is, those which are open also to non-Catholics, and it pertains exclusively to the Ordinary of the place to decide, in accordance with instructions of the Holy See, under what circumstances and with what precautions against the danger of perversion, attendance at such schools may be tolerated“
    (CIC 1917, § 1374)

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #3 on: August 17, 2021, 08:47:00 AM »
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  • “Catholic children may not attend non-Catholic, neutral, or mixed-schools, that is, those which are open also to non-Catholics, and it pertains exclusively to the Ordinary of the place to decide, in accordance with instructions of the Holy See, under what circumstances and with what precautions against the danger of perversion, attendance at such schools may be tolerated“
    (CIC 1917, § 1374)
    When the Catholic schools started to raise tuition that Catholics could not afford while accepting wealthy non Catholics, that rule was broken by Bishops and Catholic schools.

    That was a red flag back then. 
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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #4 on: August 17, 2021, 08:48:38 AM »
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  • 1215. Catholic children are to be educated in schools where not only nothing contrary to Catholic faith and morals is taught, but rather in schools where religious and moral training occupy the first place. * * * (Canon 1372.)'

    '1216. In every elementary school the children must, according to their age, be instructed in Christian doctrine.

    'The young people who attend the higher schools are to receive a deeper religious knowledge, and the bishops shall appoint priests qualified for such work by their learning and piety. (Canon 1373.)'


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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #5 on: August 17, 2021, 09:07:11 AM »
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  • When the Catholic schools started to raise tuition that Catholics could not afford while accepting wealthy non Catholics, that rule was broken by Bishops and Catholic schools.

    That was a red flag back then.
    And now, as you noted, what are called "Catholic schools" today are not such. And the same can be said of so-called "Catholic" bishops and priests. So I wonder if the canon can even be in force if this is the case? It seems to be set on the presumption that there would still be Catholic schools, which there are not.
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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #6 on: August 17, 2021, 09:22:16 AM »
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  • I'm a bit confused and a little more than shaken. I was listening to a Fr. Hewko sermon and he stated that according to Canon Law sending your kids to public school is an excommunicable offense. He didn't state which canon it was, so I'm not sure where he's referring to.

    What are parents to do when they have no options for private Catholic schooling, and aren't fit for homeschooling? I don't have an option for Catholic schooling (that isn't Novus Ordo) and I'm not much of a teacher, and my wife certainly isn't fit for it. So what do I do? I'm basically damned if I do and damned if I don’t.
    I know of a family inside a communist country (Cuba) who had to send their children to the schools, no choices. They said the education was excellent, but of course the indoctrination was poison for the soul. What they would do every day is to ask the children everything they learned and then they taught them the other side and showed them where it was going. In communist schools, they teach the children to report their parents if they see anything which they are taught to look for, it is much worse than the USA. If you must send them to public schools make sure it is a good one education wise (live in a neighborhood that has good schools) and ask your children every day what they were taught that conflicts with what they have lived with you. To do that, the parents have to really live the faith, or else the children will see that it is all just talk and they will follow their teachers, who really do have conviction.

    If it sounds difficult, keep in mind that it is enormously easier than what other Catholic parents are having to do by homeschooling or moving to another state with a trad school.
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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #7 on: August 17, 2021, 09:34:59 AM »
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  • I know of a family inside a communist country (Cuba) who had to send their children to the schools, no choices. They said the education was excellent, but of course the indoctrination was poison for the soul. What they would do every day is to ask the children everything they learned and then they taught them the other side and showed them where it was going. In communist schools, they teach the children to report their parents if they see anything which they are taught to look for, it is much worse than the USA. If you must send them to public schools make sure it is a good one education wise (live in a neighborhood that has good schools) and ask your children every day what they were taught that conflicts with what they have lived with you. To do that, the parents have to really live the faith, or else the children will see that it is all just talk and they will follow their teachers, who really do have conviction.

    If it sounds difficult, keep in mind that it is enormously easier than what other Catholic parents are having to do by homeschooling or moving to another state with a trad school.
    This is good advice, thank you. I was already going to be watching over what they were learning regardless, so it's good to know that there's a precedent for it, at least anecdotally. The schools in my town aren't overtly teaching the horrors of CRT or LGBT nonsense. But I can counter those easily with my kids when it comes to it, even evolution when that comes up.

    I think the most difficult thing would be what VCR noted about media, plus the influence of school friends. Which I would have to monitor, and already do monitor.

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #8 on: August 17, 2021, 09:41:07 AM »
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  •  “If you want your children to fight for their faith, send them to public school. If you want them to lose their faith, send them to Catholic school - Fulton sheen 


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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #9 on: August 17, 2021, 09:47:24 AM »
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  • 1215. Catholic children are to be educated in schools where not only nothing contrary to Catholic faith and morals is taught, but rather in schools where religious and moral training occupy the first place. * * * (Canon 1372.)'

    '1216. In every elementary school the children must, according to their age, be instructed in Christian doctrine.

    'The young people who attend the higher schools are to receive a deeper religious knowledge, and the bishops shall appoint priests qualified for such work by their learning and piety. (Canon 1373.)'

    I'm still not seeing the part about excommunication.  Just curious about why Fr. Hewko made that particular statement.

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #10 on: August 17, 2021, 09:56:51 AM »
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  • “If you want your children to fight for their faith, send them to public school. If you want them to lose their faith, send them to Catholic school - Fulton sheen
    Was this before Sheen embraced the Novus Ordo or after?
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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #11 on: August 17, 2021, 09:59:01 AM »
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  • I'm still not seeing the part about excommunication.  Just curious about why Fr. Hewko made that particular statement.
    He makes the statement around 7:55-8:05 in this sermon:
    "The Heart of Jesus is closer to you when you suffer, than when you are full of joy." - St. Margaret Mary Alacoque

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #12 on: August 17, 2021, 10:00:12 AM »
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  • “If you want your children to fight for their faith, send them to public school. If you want them to lose their faith, send them to Catholic school - Fulton sheen
    I suggest that you verify if and when Fulton Sheen said that, because it does not sound right, unless he repented on his deathbed.
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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #14 on: August 17, 2021, 10:25:44 AM »
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  • “If you want your children to fight for their faith, send them to public school. If you want them to lose their faith, send them to Catholic school - Fulton sheen
    He never said that.

    It’s not any better, but this is what he said:

    “I recommend that my relatives send their college-bound children to secular colleges where they will have to fight for their faith, rather than to Catholic colleges where it will be stolen from them.”

    https://www.crisismagazine.com/1987/the-catholic-college-death-judgment-resurrection

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