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Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2021, 10:53:04 PM »
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  • Alright. So it's potentially gravely offensive to God if I send them to public school. I ask this because my wife has my daughter all ready to go to pre-K in a couple weeks after unsuccessfully trying to convince her we should homeschool. To reiterate: my wife is non-Catholic, so her argument is always "I don't want them to be weird".
    Pre-k is just state funded day care, at that age you only need to teach a little bit of basic things if at all.  I would tell her no to the pre-k and lets reevaluate together for your children's' future; and convince her of what needs to be done in your household.

    I understand she is non Catholic but you need to get on the same page with major issues like this.  Under Canon Law you are even allowed to get seperated for the refusal of Catholic education by one of the parents.  Canon 1132
    A commentary on the new Code of the canon law (all volumes) : Dom Charles Augustine Bachofen, O.S.B., D.D., 1872- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive   Right click and open in new tab if it does not open.  Look at Canon 1374 it describes in part your situation.  

    In short Fr Hewko is wrong, Fr Bachofen says that parents who send their child to public school for no reason or they have an alternative, they will not be absolved.  It doesn't say excommunicated and that is only for parents who have other options.  
    In your situation from reading the different canons on this topic I think a pre-Vatican 2 priest or Bishop would say you can send them there as long as the church instructs them thoroughly of the faith outside of school.  But on the other hand the public schools back then were not havens of filth and teachers of communism which is a danger to the Faith, Matthew is right no school is better than a modern public school.  They will without a doubt be exposed to grave sin, immoral vices, immoral speech, atheism, hatred of parents; you would be putting them at a great risk of losing their soul.  

    Is it worth it?  To not have a yelling match with your wife?  Even if you have to do all the schooling I think that is the only option.  As I told you in a previous thread, you are the head of the household; put your foot down and tell her that your children will be homeschooled in the Catholic faith and there is no alternative.  


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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #31 on: August 18, 2021, 12:28:50 AM »
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  • I know this may not apply to those with younger grade school children, but where we are in the South we see in the news often that a local school will have a teacher or coach getting busted for statutory rape with one or more of their students. 

    An acquaintance of mine who is a retired school teacher for our district told me years ago that teachers she worked with were frequently having sex with their students and that it was a common thing. She complimented my children and their behavior frequently, thanked me for homeschooling them more than once, and said she would not recommend public schools anymore. I was horrified and saddened to hear about these things going on at schools, but grateful for her honesty. I never attended a high school, but I guess it’s possible this may have been going on at our schools in California too? Thankfully though if it was I was spared that nasty gossip as a Catholic teen growing up. 


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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #32 on: August 18, 2021, 12:48:25 AM »
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  • Worthwhile read on the subject of public school education by Fr. Muller:
    https://archive.org/details/publicschooleduc01ml/page/n6/mode/1up
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #33 on: August 18, 2021, 05:25:37 AM »
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  • Oh, just one more thing to consider...

    Has your wife ever met weird kids who go to school?

    Yep.  There are weird kids everywhere. :P
    I was a weird kid who went to public schools mostly in a very large city in an extremely liberal state.  I went to undergrad college in a very rural and conservative area of that same state.  There, I encountered the same communist trash as I’d been given in middle and high school in the city.  I went to three different grad schools, one rural, but uber liberal, in a different, normally conservative state, and two unis back in the same city, same state as grammar and high school.  The entire Masonic, communist, Soviet modeled plans of Dewey entirely backfired with me!  
    I put this up to the moral standards exemplified (not preached or even so much verbalized) by my poorly catechized (no fault if their own), but believing, praying, and sacrificing parents and three of four grandparents. Also, to about seven couples with whom my parents were close friends in my earliest years, before age seven.  Some of these weren’t Catholic, but held to very Catholic moral standards.  A few of these friendships endured through my growing up years, and two couples are still living and in touch, all in their late 90s, and one turning 100, God willing, on Sept. 11. (Yes, what a birthdate!) 
    Don’t think because I went to school in the 1960s and 1970s, that I wasn’t exposed to filth.  In grade seven at age 12, I learned about being “gαy” from my history teacher.  All twelve of us in his advanced placement class learned that the guy in the photo on his desk was not his brother.  A dirty minded boy in fourth grade instructed a number of his peers how boys can have fun by themselves.  Word got around to even the girls.  Then a girl in grade six told a few friends that girls can do it, too.  These were all kids from “good” families.  Smoking cigarettes appeared in grade four, drinking the same year, and marijuana in grade six.  By grade seven, there was little to nothing I hadn’t at least heard of, although it wouldn’t be until the later years of high school that I knew people who did these sort of things, or, at least, were rumored to have done them.  In college, forget it!  I knew people who admitted either slightly embarrassedly or proudly to being perverts, addicts, criminals.  
    I knew from the fourth grade that the sex stuff was disgusting, nasty, unnatural behavior.  As for cigarettes and beer drinking, it was bad for your health, especially for children, that it could be harmful, so was only for adults.  The kids who smoked and drank usually did so to excess, were otherwise rebellious, stupid, rude, doing those other things, and if not stupid in class, were leading double lives.  My Catholic grandmother said, “It always pays to keep a clean slate with God.”  And my nonCatholic grandmother taught me Catholic night prayers, in English and Polish.  She lead me to dedicate myself to Mary decades before she formally converted at age 85!  (She was baptized Lutheran at her stepfather’s insistence at age 14.  There was no record of Catholic baptism found, although she probably WAS baptized Catholic as a baby.  She went to a Lutheran church from about age seven until shortly after her Lutheran baptism, then, by a means too strange to go into, went to the Catholic Church.)
    Yes, I was weird, not because I was so religious—I wasn’t, but because I was a true non-conformist in an era when it was popular to be what the culture (falsely) called non-conformist.  You were supposed to show your non-conformity by conforming.  This meant being anti-Vietnam War, anti-establishment, anti-anything or anyone over age 30, wearing faded, ripped, walked on jeans, (At least in those days, you yourself wore them out, unlike today when people shell out ridiculous sums to buy a heap of rags made in China!). You were supposed to have unrestrained sex, drugs, gyrate to certain rock music and drop acid to other rock music, be half naked in public, eschew the bathtub and shower, live off panhandling, busking, your hopelessly uptight parents, the government you claimed to hate.  Getting a job or education was for losers.  Later, it was many of these very same people who reenrolled in college, took over the universities, and now rule like the tyrants it was planned for them to become. 
    I began to read starting the end of first grade, the old looking books in the school library, children’s books from the 1920s, 30s, and 40s.  I became aware that life was different when my parents and grandparents were growing up.  It was fascinating.  By grade three I began to read old magazines in my grandmother’s closet; to see the photos, the advertising, to pick up by osmosis, the values and mores of decades past.  By grade four I was reading, or at least trying, to read history.  I also gained access to a treasure trove of old school books from the mid 1800s to some used by my parents in the 1920s and 1930s.  The old literature was so much better than the trite and drivel in my reading books at school.  Although I was in the “high” reading group, whatever they named it, (such a joke! Every kid in school knew which was the high group for smart kids, the medium group for average kids and the low group for the dumb kids.), the books were too easy and the stories boring. I discovered my parents and grandparents could recite from memory, pages long poems from their readers.  Not wanting to be outdone, I began memorizing those poems, myself.  When I inquired of my teachers about learning poems, I was either dismissed or laughed at.  In grade eight it was explained to me that memorization was a low form of intellect, just a step above physical reaction, of no use in the modern world!  
    By high school, I was entirely weird. I wore what today would be called “retro” clothing, if in the mood, or else I dressed as an office or legal professional.  It was the early 70s so maxi dresses and the country look was coming in, so a few kids sometimes complimented me, secretly.  A few of the non teaching staff complimented me if I dressed professionally.  My peers and even some teachers made fun of me or gave really snide, sarcastic remarks. What I discovered was that when in public on the street, in stores, in the library, the bus, the subway, people treated me as an adult, not as a teenaged kid still in high school.  I volunteered at a library program reading stories and doing simple crafts with preschoolers and at a nursing home, bringing a cart of magazines, puzzles, playing cards, goody bags containing items like chapstick, candies, two or three loose cigarettes(!), hand cream, plastic ruler/bookmarker/magnifiers, mini note pads and pencils/pens to the residents and just generally chatting in the day room or in individual rooms with the bedridden.  There, I was often taken for an adult.  Several times, I did the preschool program on my own when the charge person didn’t come in, until it was discovered that I was only 15 and illegal to leave me in charge!  There were quite a few elderly men who were WWI veterans at the home, and listening to the stories of those who cared to tell them, (some clearly did not) was fascinating.  Any, “when I was a boy, girl, just married” type of story interested me.  
    By the time I went to college, I was quite entirely a misfit with my peer group and with most of my professors, recently promoted, young, liberal.  I preferred the old ones just about to retire.  Their classes were more challenging, more informative, their life experiences reflected wisdom more than bravado and rebellion.  They had knowledge and common sense.  I encountered none that gave good grades in exchange for sex, or used profanity, emotional hype, or who appeared downtown bar hopping and at fraternity or sorority beer bashes, indistinguishable from the students, drop-outs, and hangers-on that are found in most college towns.  There was one exception, an English professor in his late 50s, early 60s, who wore hippie attire, ala, 1967 San Francisco, in 1971 New York, tried to talk and act cool, groovy, refer to drugs as if he did them.  He fooled nobody.  There was a high school home ec. teacher like that, only not as extreme.  She was in her 50s and had a wrinkled neck and knees.  How did we know?  She wore low cut tops and mini skirts.  Sorry, not appealing even to those without morals!  (Kind of like today’s 350 lb. women who prance around in more tattoos than spandex!  I once heard an SSPX priest refer to such behavior as a mortal sin of hatred. He didn’t think there were any men for whom the sight would tempt to impurity, rather, to murder!). 
    If exercising common sense, having a sound mind, enjoying good literature, good art and music, and being knowledgeable of real history is weird, who wouldn’t want to be weird?  Who wouldn’t want their children to be weird?  In fact, the weirder the better!  Train them right, teach them right, instill the Faith and corresponding morals, be sure to pray, do penance, and make sacrifices. Most importantly, dedicate them to Our Lady!  Even if, God forbid, sin is dumped upon them, they will be protected in God’s timing.  
    I grew up basically knowing next to nothing of the Faith.  I went to the novus ordo because my father required it of those living under his roof. He knew nothing of the old Mass still being available. After that, I spent decades trying out Protestantisms of nearly every kind except snake handlers.  It never occurred to me that the Catholic religion had the Truth.  It was kept from me that the Latin Mass still existed. Through no fault of my own, or of my parents, my catechesis was virtually nonexistent and that which I did receive, no different than the trite and drivel in my school books.  I first heard of tradition in 2005. In the space of one week, I went from identifying myself as Christian without a church to Traditional Catholic.  
    And I’m still weird, even among Traditional Catholics because of my life’s path.  I fit no recognized category. I’m not a revert, not a convert, never lived a licentious lifestyle from which I was rescued, (I’m not claiming holiness, either!  I had to go on a retreat and make a general confession over several days.) Was never a convinced heretic because no Protestant church satisfied.  If a heretic, a material heretic through ignorance and weakness of intellect. 
    So I’m still weird.  Please pray for me to save my soul.  That’s all that counts.  In Purgatory and Heaven, I’m willing to be the weird one if that’s Gods Will.  
    Tell your wife the weird kids are often those with excellent parents.  

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #34 on: August 18, 2021, 06:48:00 AM »
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  • There is a common misconception that homeschooling is ‘school at home’. Meaning a parent must duplicate the typical classroom at home. It doesn’t have to be done that way.
    I was unschooled starting from 4th grade. My mother pulled me out of a Novus Ordo Catholic grade school after I finished 3rd grade. She was mostly hands off, so I wound up being mostly self taught. I love to read and write, math never being an interest of mine, I at least know the basics.
    I read mostly fiction until my early 20’s then that all changed when I starting reading different Saint biographies. I had a conversion back to the Faith (of which it was getting colder) and then a few years later by the grace of God I found Tradition.
    I had my eldest son in a Novus Ordo Catholic school and pulled him out, started homeschooling and the rest is history. Now in his early 20’s, he is a very intelligent and articulate young man, and best of all he still has the Catholic Faith. My younger children have only ever been homeschooled. They are all very intelligent and have interests in many subjects outside of what you’d find in a typical classroom setting.
    It makes me sad to meet neighborhood kids that want to play with them and you can tell they have no substance there. Very aloof and somewhat robotic. Much of it may be the public schools in the area here in the South, but still I can see the difference in my own children and public school children. Mostly because these young ones are also lacking The Church and The Sacraments and from what I’ve seen of many parents here they are self centered ego maniacs that let their children spiritually and emotionally rot in other people’s care while they work all day and party all night. These are the children ours would be attending school with. Imbibing their values on a daily basis at lunch and recess. I regret my eldest had to endure that the few years he was in school.

    Take heart those with children still in schools. I prayed every morning with my son as we drove to drop him off, the Saint Michael prayer. I told my son that St Michael would be with him and he said, ‘he’d be floating above the school watching over everyone’. A sweet memory we have from that time.
    Also, for those interested check into ‘Deschooling’ and ‘Unschooling’. Unschooling has a bad rap of being unstructured when it can be done in a structured way. Relaxed homeschool is another term for that too.
    Good comments.  Our state forces the teaching of certain subject areas, including science and math, which are fetishized in our culture, the goal seeming to be, to turn out "woke" technical whizzes who will be "useful members of society" while parroting the socialist line and not thinking independently where moral and character development is involved.  In science and math, you end up basically teaching the same thing over and over, whereas in humanities and the social sciences, there is no end to the wisdom.  I've even picked up the vibe in Catholic education --- and my view of Catholic high school may be skewed and jaundiced, ours was an industrial city where engineers, chemists, et al, were transferred in from other parts of the country and many were Catholics from the northeastern US --- that math and science are preferred, because being well-versed in classics, humanities, and so on, would cultivate the qualities of mind that would cause some to question the modernist Newchurch, whereas if you're an engineer or a mathematician, you're less likely to ask such questions. 
    That's how it was in the Soviet Union --- world-class physicists, scientists, and so on, but when it came to philosophical and metaphysical questions, well, you just learn the Communist Party line, parrot it back, and that's the be-all and end-all of it. 

    In Soviet life, you were just a cog in a machine.  In the socialist housing estate where my wife grew up in Poland, the original plan was for the apartments not to have kitchens, but for everyone to go and take their meals in a cafeteria, dining together like good socialist workers.  The prospective residents called BS on that --- you don't get between a Pole and their food, imagine telling Poles they can't cook their own meals! --- and the communists relented and allowed them to have individual kitchens, but at the cost of having one less bedroom, as the apartments had already been built. They had to retro-fit the prospective extra bedroom into a kitchen.  I have to think that the most cracked-out of socialist collectivists in this country would like such an arrangement --- possibly to induce people to eat "woke" vegetarian and vegan meals prepared by dietary "experts"?  Yeah... that sounds about right.  This said, as a somewhat overweight, but not hideous or poorly proportioned, man of a certain physique, I look around me and cannot fathom what is making everyone get so fat!  At Walmart (res ipsa loquitur) on a Saturday afternoon, "300 is the new 200", never heard of such a thing 50 years ago, obese people were rare and were considered freakish, suffering from some kind of disorder.  One is tempted to think that some kind of food rationing might be in order.  (I said tempted.)  Y'all need to lose some weight!

    Well, not to digress.  We slog through repetitious math and science exercises at the expense of time we could be spending on more classics and humanities, but in our state, you're best advised to "get with the program" and keep your records in such a fashion that, should anyone ever want to look into it (and that doesn't happen), you could provide proof of an educational plan that roughly correlates with what the public schools do, though actual subject matter can have quite a bit of leeway.  We studied Garibaldi (whom I explained to my son was a Freemason, and my son is death on Freemasons, he's more opposed to them than I am!) and the loss of the Papal States last night, and I can assure you, you'd never get that in a public school (nor, I doubt, in a Newchurch educational factory).  Not the best state for homeschooling, not the worst.  I notice in young people these days that there is a certain "flatness" of personality, they can barely interact with adults, I was scandalized one time by being introduced to a coworker's daughter, who attended a "classical" Protestant "academy", I would have expected "it's very good to meet you, Mr SimpleMan, my name is Heather", but no, slack-jawed, hands in the pockets of her hoodie, she basically just grunted.  Not my idea of the best deportment when greeting an elder.  Not the way I was raised.  My son has some shyness issues, but even this said, he has a far more "energetic" personality than his peers.  I have noticed, in the three years we've homeschooled, he no longer uses bad grammar, he's around me all the time, and now he talks like I do, with only the occasional "would have went" or "would have came" slipping out.  He is never at a loss for logical, tightly reasoned arguments and statements of his own mind.

    For what it's worth, homeschooling didn't exist when I was growing up, unless it would have been pupils in deepest Wyoming or Montana whose parents enrolled them in the Calvert School's correspondence program in Baltimore.  I would see their ads in National Geographic and wish I could do that, instead of being forced to get up every weekday morning, but that wasn't an option.  I largely educated myself (first Britannica Junior Encyclopedia, the ones with the red cover, then the "real" Britannica) without the distractions of school --- day school was more or less a forced formality for me, I learned little, though I did make excellent grades and graduated in the top 10 percent of my class, superior ACT and SAT scores, got a full academic scholarship to the state university based upon this.  We all have our own gifts, and as Matthew well points out when speaking of possible intellectual differences in the races (an opinion I share, though I have to keep it to myself), to whom more is given, more is expected.  I am glad that he reminded me of that.  And not all gifts are equally bestowed.  I am at best average in math and science, TBH I find it boring, whereas history, civics, religion, philosophy, geography (LOVE geography!), and to some extent, literature, I could teach in my sleep and never get enough of it.  Our methods are as "relaxed" (good adjective for it!) as our state will allow.


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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #35 on: August 18, 2021, 07:17:52 AM »
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  • It's common to think that school at home must take many hours a day since that is what the "real schools" do.  However, the "real schools" waste hours and hours of time on stupid and meaningless activities.

    Truer words were never spoken.  While you want to spend a substantial amount of time, and do the work and study that need to be done, a homeschool day does not have to be nearly as long as a "regular" school day.  Much of day school consists of group activities, "social BS" (if you ask me), "busy work", and inane exercises in which the pupil really learns very little.  Our Newchurch school's big thing was index cards, endless bundles of these little cards, math and vocabulary factoids, when I would open my son's bookbag at night, all those #%@#%!!! cards would come cascading out, and sometimes I would "lose my religion" (a figure of speech, it's a Southernism for getting irritated and expressing it), and a bad word might slip out now and then over it.  We don't use index cards in homeschool.

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #36 on: August 18, 2021, 07:46:32 AM »
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  • I know this may not apply to those with younger grade school children, but where we are in the South we see in the news often that a local school will have a teacher or coach getting busted for statutory rape with one or more of their students.

    An acquaintance of mine who is a retired school teacher for our district told me years ago that teachers she worked with were frequently having sex with their students and that it was a common thing. She complimented my children and their behavior frequently, thanked me for homeschooling them more than once, and said she would not recommend public schools anymore. I was horrified and saddened to hear about these things going on at schools, but grateful for her honesty. I never attended a high school, but I guess it’s possible this may have been going on at our schools in California too? Thankfully though if it was I was spared that nasty gossip as a Catholic teen growing up.
    We, too, live in the South, and we have never gotten one single negative comment from anyone about homeschooling.  Southerners are polite and genteel, so this may just be "manners" in some people --- people here are not, shall we say, "direct" as many Northerners are, nor are they officious know-it-alls who can't open their mouths without saying "you should...", a behavior that is endemic in the Washington, DC area, where I lived for almost a decade.  And do bear in mind that "bless your heart" is Southernese for "go *** yourself", negative speech exists, you just have to be a little more "tuned in" to pick up on it.  That said, people here are pretty "chill", and there are many aspects of culture here, that are eminently reconcilable with traditional Catholicism.  Very often, you might be the only practicing Catholic they've ever actually heard talk about their religion, and their attitude tends to be "Latin Mass, that's cool", and a black woman I worked with, when I explained to her about the Brown Scapular, was entirely sympathetic about it.  In other words, you're less likely to run into some liberal Newchurcher who will chime in, "we don't do that anymore, that's out of date, Vatican II got rid of all that, we follow our consciences instead".

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #37 on: August 18, 2021, 07:56:44 AM »
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  • Alright. So it's potentially gravely offensive to God if I send them to public school. I ask this because my wife has my daughter all ready to go to pre-K in a couple weeks after unsuccessfully trying to convince her we should homeschool. To reiterate: my wife is non-Catholic, so her argument is always "I don't want them to be weird".
    I can relate to your situation, my sons went to public school unfortunately however they were taught their catechism through a homeschool course from the Sisters of SSPX, I feel better from me than a NO school that I almost sent them to. It was my only alternative and it worked out fine as there was a schedule established and adhered to 


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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #38 on: August 18, 2021, 08:36:05 AM »
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  • I can relate to your situation, my sons went to public school unfortunately however they were taught their catechism through a homeschool course from the Sisters of SSPX, I feel better from me than a NO school that I almost sent them to. It was my only alternative and it worked out fine as there was a schedule established and adhered to
    Yeah, if I cannot get my wife on board with homeschooling, then that's what I already planned on doing as well as monitor what they are learning.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #39 on: August 18, 2021, 01:50:15 PM »
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  • We know of a family of 5, both parents work in the hospital.  One of the parents would get off shift at 10pm and when they got home, home schooled 2 subjects and went to bed. they found ways.

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #40 on: August 18, 2021, 07:31:19 PM »
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  • We know of a family of 5, both parents work in the hospital.  One of the parents would get off shift at 10pm and when they got home, home schooled 2 subjects and went to bed. they found ways.
    We do a LOT of our homeschooling in the evenings.  I'm retired, my son is homeschooled, "bedtime" is fairly loosely defined.  Many teenagers have erratic sleep patterns, it's part of the whole adolescence thing. 

    It may just be me, may just be some subconscious prejudice on my part, but it seems to me, that Catholics tend to "stir earlier" than other people do.  Early-morning Novus Ordo Masses in my area are packed, the 8 am at the parish near my home is standing room only.  You have a lot of elderly, a lot of retired people, a lot of both retired and active duty military, and all of that coalesces into early waking habits.  And then again, in the South, many people get up earlier, precisely because it's cooler at that time of the morning.  You've never lived until you've breathed early-morning Southern air, slightly damp, sometimes a little steamy, but palpably crisp and cooled from the night before.  Anyway, to return to the Catholic angle, I even have to wonder if early rising comes from the example set by the monastics, as well as pre-Vatican II communion fast restrictions --- it was far easier, if you'd been fasting from midnight, to receive communion at 6 or 7 am, than to have to wait until mid-morning.  Perhaps something cultural that has carried over to the present day?


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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #41 on: August 18, 2021, 08:06:10 PM »
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  • Yeah, if I cannot get my wife on board with homeschooling, then that's what I already planned on doing as well as monitor what they are learning.
    Set the schedule, stick to it and things will work out. Keep them motivated with the rewards of our Faith, some ice cream every now and then and God takes care of the rest! You sound like a good and concerned parent, you’ll do great!

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #42 on: August 19, 2021, 09:30:47 PM »
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  • If exercising common sense, having a sound mind, enjoying good literature, good art and music, and being knowledgeable of real history is weird, who wouldn’t want to be weird?  Who wouldn’t want their children to be weird?  In fact, the weirder the better!  Train them right, teach them right, instill the Faith and corresponding morals, be sure to pray, do penance, and make sacrifices. Most importantly, dedicate them to Our Lady! 
    ^^This^^ I agree 

    Nothing wrong with being considered ''weird'' by worldy, immoral people.  

    I know people think I am ''weird'' for only wearing skirts and dresses.

    DigitalLogos---hope you can do homeschooling.  Pray to St Joseph!
    Surge, Domine, et dissipentur inimici, et eos qui oderunt te, a facie tua!  
    St Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle!
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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #43 on: August 20, 2021, 08:10:55 AM »
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  • I remember my mom telling me that the priest told my grandmother that she could be excommunicated for moving my mom (in the 1930s) from Catholic to public school. (My grandparents were very poor and couldn't afford parochial school after 8th grade).

    A now deceased lifelong friend who was raised Catholic before V2 (1st of 12 children) told me the public schools in her day 
    (1940s) had daily Bible readings from the protestant King James Bible, so public schools were seen as a danger to the Faith.
    2 Thessalonians 2

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    Re: Public schooling an excommunicable offense?
    « Reply #44 on: August 20, 2021, 08:24:24 AM »
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  • I remember my mom telling me that the priest told my grandmother that she could be excommunicated for moving my mom (in the 1930s) from Catholic to public school.
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    This is my understanding too. I don't think "excommunicated" is exactly the correct term. I believe bishops made rules that Catholics were forbidden to place their children i public schools under pain of mortal sin, so parents who violated that rule were not given the sacraments as they were considered public sinners. This was particularly true in parishes that had a Catholic school that the children could go to. I believe this was typical in most dioceses.