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Offline Marulus Fidelis

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Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
« Reply #60 on: Yesterday at 12:02:35 PM »
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  • Yes, i'm not suggesting a layman can make any decisions related to canon law.  I'm suggesting (and i've known examples) where Trad priests investigated the matter and the person converted to the Faith and was "re-married" to a Trad.  But the priest made the call.
    I'm not sure whether a Trad priest would have the authority to do so. It's the question of whether supplied jurisdiction extends to governance. If we granted that, a trad bishop could have the power to excommunicate, which no one admits.


    Offline Angelus

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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #61 on: Yesterday at 02:17:05 PM »
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  • StrivingCatholic needs to talk to a traditional priest about his marriage situation before coming to any conclusions.

    Besides the Pauline Privilege exception. There are other situations that might be relevant.

    For example, if the woman StrivingCatholic married was previously divorced (from a prior, valid civil marriage between her and another man), then StrivingCatholic's civil marriage to such a divorced woman would not have been valid in the eyes of the Church.


    Offline Nadir

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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #62 on: Yesterday at 03:35:18 PM »
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  • A priest's opinion doesn't give you certainty as you suggest, only the Church can give you certainty with a declaration of nullity, which is at present, unfortunately, unavailable. The SSPV is so indifferentist that it doesn't even require general confessions for people converting from the Novus Ordo. It's useless to gamble on the opinion of some priest and then if one doesn't like that priest's opinion he can go in search of another fallible opinion.

    Catholic principles in this case are clear-cut and anyone can apply them for himself - unbaptized non-Catholics marry validly when they seek a civil marriage, that's certain, the question is only if that's what happened and StrivingCatholic knows that for himself. In any case, to go seek another marriage a declaration of nullity would be required, which he cannot get, since there is no competent authority to provide it at present.

    In short, one can and should seek advice from knowledgeable priests or laymen, however, one can't go seek certainty from a priest's opinion.

    P.S. The marriage is assumed valid until proven otherwise beyond any doubt, not the other way around.
    And your opinion carries more weight than a priest's?
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #63 on: Yesterday at 04:07:17 PM »
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  • And your opinion carries more weight than a priest's?

    How are you reading this into what he said?  What he was saying is what I've been saying for a long time, where the "seek the opinion of a priest" advice these days can be pretty lame, since there might be a different opinion for every priest that you ask, and no priest has the requisite authority.  When the Church was in a normal state, you'd go to your diocesan chancery and get a ruling, and because they had the authority, even if they were wrong, you could safely in conscience follow that ruling.  Not so with priests these days, who simply don't have the authority and might have a variety of opinions.  And, in some (even many) cases, his opinion would carry more weight than that of a priest, since I know quite a few priests who, let's just say, barely passed seminary and have slightly better than a Baltimore Catechism knowledge of the faith.  Apart from that, an old priest once visited STAS and he complained about all the priests who were just simple priests, having graduated the basic 6-year program, acting as if they were canon lawyers or theologians, whereas in normal times this sufficed only to be an associate pastor somewhere, and to be considered a legitimate authority in those other areas, one would to acquire advanced pontifical degrees.  Heck, even in an organization like the SSPX, you couldn't just "go to a priest".  Even they have some priests who are a bit more highly trained in the subject who might opine on the matter, and it would not be left up to the priest at your local chapel.

    Offline ElwinRansom1970

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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #64 on: Yesterday at 04:49:01 PM »
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  • Heck, even in an organization like the SSPX, you couldn't just "go to a priest".  Even they have some priests who are a bit more highly trained in the subject who might opine on the matter, and it would not be left up to the priest at your local chapel.
    One of the greatest acts of hubris that I encounter amongst some SSPX and sede priests is to refer to themselves as "pastors" and to the chapels at which minister as "parishes". 

    Also, I know that some FSSP priests [sic] possess pontifical degrees -- I am uncertain about ICKSP or IBP priests although it would make sense, but it is likewise über-hubris when the SSPX refers to this member priest as a theologian or that member priest as a canonist when all they may have is 5 to 6 years of seminary, sometimes straight out of high school.
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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #65 on: Yesterday at 05:22:53 PM »
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  • “Just go to a priest” are not my words. I merely asked the question,
    And your opinion carries more weight than a priest's?
    No more, no less!
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.