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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Prayers for Fr. William Welsh - quadruple amputation imminent
« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2021, 12:36:13 PM »
I hadn't thought of that, but my question then would be, does the celebrating priest actually have to touch the large host and the chalice with his fingers (obviously he does not touch each and every host in the ciborium, yet they are all consecrated), and does he have to elevate the consecrated host and the chalice?  I refer not so much to validity, as I refer to licitness according to traditional rubrics.

And he would actually have to be the priest celebrating, as the TLM is not concelebrated (someone correct me if I'm wrong on that).

He's supposed to touch the host and elevate the host and ciborium, but that's the NORMAL rule and concessions have always been made for circuмstances such as this.  I wasn't referring to a concelebration but physical assistance.  Priests are also supposed to genuflect and do other things, but priests who cannot were allowed to offer Mass sitting down, etc.


Re: Prayers for Fr. William Welsh - quadruple amputation imminent
« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2021, 12:40:17 PM »
He's supposed to touch the host and elevate the host and ciborium, but that's the NORMAL rule and concessions have always been made for circuмstances such as this.  I wasn't referring to a concelebration but physical assistance.  Priests are also supposed to genuflect and do other things, but priests who cannot were allowed to offer Mass sitting down, etc.
Yes, that's what I meant. Thanks for the clarification


Re: Prayers for Fr. William Welsh - quadruple amputation imminent
« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2021, 01:06:30 PM »
He's supposed to touch the host and elevate the host and ciborium, but that's the NORMAL rule and concessions have always been made for circuмstances such as this.  I wasn't referring to a concelebration but physical assistance.  Priests are also supposed to genuflect and do other things, but priests who cannot were allowed to offer Mass sitting down, etc.
Thanks for the information.  I didn't know if the pre-V2 Church made such exceptions, or if the Mass had to be celebrated strictly according to the rubrics.  I thought I remembered one of the North American Martyrs getting a dispensation from Rome to celebrate Mass even though his fingers were mutilated by the natives, indicating to me, that in the absence of such a dispensation, he would have been considered physically irregular for celebrating Mass.

I know that nowadays, "anything goes" (except such things as questioning V2, whether the promulgation of the NOM was a good idea, or even whether the occupant of the papal chair at any given point is actually the Pope), and the Newchurch bends over backwards to accommodate every impediment that a priest could possibly have for the celebration of Mass, but I wasn't sure whether any such exceptions (aside from very minor, common-sense ones) were made "back in the day".