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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2019, 09:35:51 AM »
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  • I just wanted to add that plans were made without the executor's imput who was recovering after caring for Fr. Collins for his last 96 hrs. The executor, an honorable man, tried to work something out with +Dolan and Fr. Cekada seeking not to exclude anyone but got no return calls from +Dolan.
    Fr. Collins had requested 4 priests and a specific bishop to do his Requiem Mass and neither +Dolan or Fr. Cekada were named.
    May 7th is the funeral and on the 8th, the Solemnity of St. Joseph (to whom Fr. Collins was very devoted), there will be an early High Mass. Details will be published shortly.
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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #46 on: April 30, 2019, 11:42:07 AM »
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  • I just wanted to add that plans were made without the executor's imput who was recovering after caring for Fr. Collins for his last 96 hrs. The executor, an honorable man, tried to work something out with +Dolan and Fr. Cekada seeking not to exclude anyone but got no return calls from +Dolan.
    Fr. Collins had requested 4 priests and a specific bishop to do his Requiem Mass and neither +Dolan or Fr. Cekada were named.
    May 7th is the funeral and on the 8th, the Solemnity of St. Joseph (to whom Fr. Collins was very devoted), there will be an early High Mass. Details will be published shortly.
    Interesting.
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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #47 on: April 30, 2019, 12:35:46 PM »
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  • Fr Cekada is the one who has told everyone that there is a problem.  Another example of his divisive and contentious personality.

    Indeed.  That's why I asked.  One received the distinct impression from what Fr. Cekada wrote that the executor was practically going to haul Father Collins off for cremation without so much as a Christian burial.

    Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.  He's good for that, isn't he?

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #48 on: April 30, 2019, 12:39:20 PM »
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  • Fr. Collins had requested 4 priests and a specific bishop to do his Requiem Mass and neither +Dolan or Fr. Cekada were named.

    Is this the reason for Father Cekada's little "temper tantrum" about the arrangements?

    Could I ask which Bishop he requested?  I know that Bishops Kelly/Santay (as well as the priests aligned with them) hold +Dolan to be invalid (as a bishop).

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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #49 on: April 30, 2019, 12:57:00 PM »
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  • Is this the reason for Father Cekada's little "temper tantrum" about the arrangements?

    Could I ask which Bishop he requested?  I know that Bishops Kelly/Santay (as well as the priests aligned with them) hold +Dolan to be invalid (as a bishop).

    He and +Dolan were contacted and "informed" by a priest on the scene who had no authority and who should have known Fr. Collins' request.
    I'm not authorised to mention the name of the bishop but I'm not familiar with him. Announcement should come before long.  
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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #50 on: April 30, 2019, 03:38:16 PM »
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  • I'm not authorised to mention the name of the bishop but I'm not familiar with him. Announcement should come before long.  
    Not familiar?  Hmm.  That's odd given it would seem that whatever bishop Father Collins, a sedevacantist and one of "The Nine", would have requested would be a bishop with whom we all would be familiar.  In fact, it would be much more likely that he would have requested Bishop Dolan, also a sedevacantist and one of his fellow Nine.

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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #51 on: April 30, 2019, 03:57:57 PM »
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  • I just wanted to add that plans were made without the executor's imput who was recovering after caring for Fr. Collins for his last 96 hrs. The executor, an honorable man, tried to work something out with +Dolan and Fr. Cekada seeking not to exclude anyone but got no return calls from +Dolan.
    Fr. Collins had requested 4 priests and a specific bishop to do his Requiem Mass and neither +Dolan or Fr. Cekada were named.
    May 7th is the funeral and on the 8th, the Solemnity of St. Joseph (to whom Fr. Collins was very devoted), there will be an early High Mass. Details will be published shortly.

    I just realized I misstated the funeral information. Here is what the email from yesterday said:

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    Services are scheduled for 7 – 8 May, with Vespers of the Dead and the wake/viewing the evening of the 7th (something like 4-8pm) and Matins/Lauds and Mass on the 8th, starting at about 10am. We will have several priests in town, so I would also like to line up a joyful Sung Mass for the Solemnity of St. Joseph before the funeral service, probably around 8 or 830 am. We’ll likely sing the Byrd Mass for Three Voices and the propers in Gregorian. The purpose of the additional Mass would be to honor Father’s fierce devotion to his patron and his devotion to his special feast day, and to fill the day with liturgical music which was his life’s blood as a priest.

    I'm not personally familiar with the bishop. From the executor's email:


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    Father selected five celebrants for his ceremony: Bishop Neville and Frs. Ringrose, McMahon, Ahern, and Zapp.
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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #52 on: April 30, 2019, 04:00:43 PM »
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  • Not familiar?  Hmm.  That's odd given it would seem that whatever bishop Father Collins, a sedevacantist and one of "The Nine", would have requested would be a bishop with whom we all would be familiar.  In fact, it would be much more likely that he would have requested Bishop Dolan, also a sedevacantist and one of his fellow Nine.

    :furtive:

    But was Fr. Collins in the camp (with Bishop Kelly) who consider the Thuc line invalid?  If so, he wouldn't want +Dolan.

    I haven't followed NINE politics in many years.

    Here are some Bishops tied to the NINE:  Kelly (consecrated Santay), Sanborn (indirect offshoot = Neville), Dolan.  There are other Thuc bishops floating around, but I didn't know the NINE worked with them at all.  It will be interesting to see who this is.


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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #53 on: April 30, 2019, 04:12:40 PM »
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  • But was Fr. Collins in the camp (with Bishop Kelly) who consider the Thuc line invalid?  If so, he wouldn't want +Dolan.

    I haven't followed NINE politics in many years.

    Here are some Bishops tied to the NINE:  Kelly (consecrated Santay), Sanborn (indirect offshoot = Neville), Dolan.  There are other Thuc bishops floating around, but I didn't know the NINE worked with them at all.  It will be interesting to see who this is.
    No, Father Collins considered the Thuc line valid.  So, he most certainly would want Bishop Dolan.  

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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #54 on: April 30, 2019, 04:19:24 PM »
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  • He and +Dolan were contacted and "informed" by a priest on the scene who had no authority and who should have known Fr. Collins' request.
     
    Was the priest "on the scene" Father McMahon, the priest that lived with him at the rectory and took on his priestly duties at St Michael's Chapel?

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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #55 on: April 30, 2019, 04:22:51 PM »
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  • [font=.SF UI Text][font=.SFUIText]Father Collins, while independent and with specific beliefs, held his fellow clergy in high esteem and would not want fellow Catholics to be arguing like this.  And certainly not disparaging each other or clergy.  It's such a shame this is where it is at.  I can verify however as a personal friend of Father Collins and directly involved in conversations whereby Bishop Dolan was most certainly requested to offer his Requiem Mass, even to the point that the obituary that was written with Father while alive included a request that donations be made in his in his name to Bishop Daniel Dolan / St. Gertrude the Great Chapel, in part to cover expenses that he and necessary clergy would incur while traveling to New York.  Based on this and the steps that were taken while Father was alive, and the coordination necessary to provide the type of Mass Father requested, it is understandable that Bishop Dolan would feel less than favorable at being dismissed from the entire equation.   I think most everyone else would as well. This is an unfortunate situation where many things are being thrown around, some might be valid and others definitely not.  In either case, I urge you to pray on things prior to posting information, especially as it relates to detracting from others and reflect instead on the repose of Father Collins soul, which is where our concentration should lie. [/font][/font][/color]


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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #56 on: April 30, 2019, 04:26:02 PM »
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  • No, Father Collins considered the Thuc line valid.  So, he most certainly would want Bishop Dolan.  

    OK, then he might have some other reason for wanting someone else.

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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #57 on: April 30, 2019, 04:27:44 PM »
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  • So now the claim is that Father Collins wanted +Dolan but that the executor dismissed +Dolan?

    MariaAuxliadora:
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    Fr. Collins had requested 4 priests and a specific bishop to do his Requiem Mass and neither +Dolan or Fr. Cekada were named.

    So, this is ambiguous now.  Does his mean that Fr. Collins requested +Dolan but the executor "did not name" them?

    So this executor called +Dolan, but +Dolan never called him back?  Why?  Was it because +Dolan wasn't allowed to have the Mass on the day he wanted it?

    Why are the NINE such drama queens about everything?

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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #58 on: April 30, 2019, 04:28:31 PM »
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  • [font=.SF UI Text][font=.SFUIText]Father Collins, while independent and with specific beliefs, held his fellow clergy in high esteem and would not want fellow Catholics to be arguing like this.  And certainly not disparaging each other or clergy.  It's such a shame this is where it is at.  I can verify however as a personal friend of Father Collins and directly involved in conversations whereby Bishop Dolan was most certainly requested to offer his Requiem Mass, even to the point that the obituary that was written with Father while alive included a request that donations be made in his in his name to Bishop Daniel Dolan / St. Gertrude the Great Chapel, in part to cover expenses that he and necessary clergy would incur while traveling to New York.  Based on this and the steps that were taken while Father was alive, and the coordination necessary to provide the type of Mass Father requested, it is understandable that Bishop Dolan would feel less than favorable at being dismissed from the entire equation.   I think most everyone else would as well. This is an unfortunate situation where many things are being thrown around, some might be valid and others definitely not.  In either case, I urge you to pray on things prior to posting information, especially as it relates to detracting from others and reflect instead on the repose of Father Collins soul, which is where our concentration should lie. [/font][/font]
    Thank you for sharing that.    :pray:

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    Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
    « Reply #59 on: April 30, 2019, 05:08:12 PM »
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  • So now the claim is that Father Collins wanted +Dolan but that the executor dismissed +Dolan?

    MariaAuxliadora:
    So, this is ambiguous now.  Does his mean that Fr. Collins requested +Dolan but the executor "did not name" them?

    So this executor called +Dolan, but +Dolan never called him back?  Why?  Was it because +Dolan wasn't allowed to have the Mass on the day he wanted it?

    Why are the NINE such drama queens about everything?

    See the second quote on post # 51 (link below). One of the priests, who was not authorized, called +Dolan and Fr. Cekada, not the executor. Read previous posts on page 3 by AMDGJMJ and mine. I can assure you that there is no more trustworthy person than the executor to follow Father's wishes or one who loved him more. His family included.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/prayers-for-father-joseph-collins/msg652263/#msg652263
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