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Title: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on March 21, 2019, 05:39:01 PM
I’m asking for prayers for Father Joseph Collins. Father has not been in good health for a while now and his condition seems to have gotten worse.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: forlorn on March 21, 2019, 05:41:35 PM
I’m asking for prayers for Father Joseph Collins. Father has not been in good health for a while now and his condition seems to have gotten worse.
Praying for him. 
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Ladislaus on March 21, 2019, 06:55:13 PM
 :pray:

Do you have any details you could share about his condition?
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on March 21, 2019, 07:25:45 PM
:pray:

Do you have any details you could share about his condition?
No diagnosis yet.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on March 21, 2019, 07:34:11 PM
Breaking Lenten fast for this....

What is going on?  Symptoms?  
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on March 21, 2019, 08:33:43 PM
Breaking Lenten fast for this....

What is going on?  Symptoms?  
:pray: hard
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Stubborn on March 22, 2019, 06:36:54 AM
 :pray:
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Mithrandylan on March 22, 2019, 10:23:22 AM
Please update with details as you have them.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on March 22, 2019, 12:29:23 PM

:pray:

Father Collins’ parents had a prominent role and were instrumental in the "birth" of St. Athanasius Chapel in Vienna, VA.
According to a (mutual) friend who emailed me this morning, there are serious concerns. Please pray hard.


 
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: ihsv on March 22, 2019, 12:35:23 PM
Just got this in my inbox: 

Dear friends of ISOC:
 
Many of you may recall that good Father Joseph Collins celebrated Mass for us at various ISOC conferences.  I'm sad to say that Father is experiencing a very serious medical problem.
 
He has an enlarged liver, possible tumor and will have a CAT scan today. He will also be receiving the Last Rites this weekend.
 
Would you in all Charity, please pray for Father Collins.
 
Thank you.
 
In the loving Hearts of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph,
 
Judith Sharpe
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on March 23, 2019, 01:46:00 AM
We will pray for Father Collins and his family.  

:pray:
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: AMDGJMJ on March 26, 2019, 02:06:34 PM
Most recent update email I got from a friend:

Fr Collins' CAT-scan has revealed no cirrhosis and no cancer.  Drs. believe Fr. may have a blocked bile duct. Very good news! Please keep him in your prayers.



Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on March 26, 2019, 04:55:44 PM
 :pray: :pray: :pray:
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: AMDGJMJ on March 27, 2019, 10:16:21 AM
Most recent update email I got from a friend:

Fr Collins' CAT-scan has revealed no cirrhosis and no cancer.  Drs. believe Fr. may have a blocked bile duct. Very good news! Please keep him in your prayers.


Got this message this morning from a friend:

"I just received a msg that Fr. Collins has stage 4 pancreatic cancer. The msg came from a lady named Ann, whose husband Jeff was contacted Bishop Sanborn."
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Ladislaus on March 27, 2019, 10:37:31 AM
So the trail for the pancreatic cancer rumor:

"a friend"->a lady named Ann->her husband Jeff->Bishop Sanborn-> ? ? ?

I think we need to wait for some confirmation.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: AMDGJMJ on March 27, 2019, 10:47:04 AM
So the trail for the pancreatic cancer rumor:

"a friend"->a lady named Ann->her husband Jeff->Bishop Sanborn-> ? ? ?

I think we need to wait for some confirmation.
My friend who sent me the message is good friends with Ann and her husband.  I merely left out the last names for privacy sake.  Also, another friend of mine told me, after I got this message, that this had been confirmed with Father McMahon who went up to to be with Father Collins in NY.  That being said, I am sure more information will come eventually for Father Collins regardless of what I have been told.  Just thought I would share what I had heard so people could pray...
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: TKGS on March 27, 2019, 11:11:23 AM
So the trail for the pancreatic cancer rumor:

"a friend"->a lady named Ann->her husband Jeff->Bishop Sanborn-> ? ? ?

I think we need to wait for some confirmation.
Fourth hand information isn't credible enough?
We are remembering Father each evening at our family rosary.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Ladislaus on March 27, 2019, 11:35:49 AM
My friend who sent me the message is good friends with Ann and her husband.

I understand that, and I am not faulting you for passing along this information.  I just think we have to take it with a grain of salt when it has made so many leaps.  You know of the old "Telephone Game", don't you?  Even if it ends up being correct, sometimes things get a bit distorted when it gets passed around.

Stage 2 or 3 might somehow become 4.  MIGHT have pancreated cancer could become DOES have pancreatic cancer.  Pancreatitis might become pancreatic cancer.  It takes very little miscommunication to cause distortion of the facts when it's gone through so many hops.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: AMDGJMJ on March 27, 2019, 03:39:16 PM
I understand that, and I am not faulting you for passing along this information.  I just think we have to take it with a grain of salt when it has made so many leaps.  You know of the old "Telephone Game", don't you?  Even if it ends up being correct, sometimes things get a bit distorted when it gets passed around.

Stage 2 or 3 might somehow become 4.  MIGHT have pancreated cancer could become DOES have pancreatic cancer.  Pancreatitis might become pancreatic cancer.  It takes very little miscommunication to cause distortion of the facts when it's gone through so many hops.
Here is an official email from Father Ahern:
Dear Friends:

There have been multiple reports and requests for information concerning the illness of Father Joseph Collins, and there is some variety of detail in circulation. The interest is an indication of your charity, and I hope that this update will bring some relief, and encourage you to prayer.
Over the past year, Father Collins has undergone an uncharacteristic weight loss. Coming into March, he exhibited signs of jaundice, and on March 17 had great difficulty in offering Mass. A physical exam revealed a severely enlarged liver, then a CT scan indicated a blockage in the outlet of the liver. On Tuesday of this week, a full analysis of the CT scan revealed pancreatic cancer, with tumors on the liver and other cancer in the lymphatic system, and perhaps elsewhere.
With all of this, Father Collins is able to get around, pray his Breviary, and consider offering Mass. His spirits are good, though he has considerable fatigue, and is quite aware of the gravity of his situation. He is encouraged and consoled by the many prayers of the faithful and brother clergy.
There is a plan to do an outpatient procedure by which a stent will be inserted to open the bile duct, drain the liver, and relieve the jaundice symptoms.
Treatment options for the cancer are limited, and of limited efficacy.
Father Collins has received Extreme Unction, and will have ongoing access to the other sacraments as the need arises.
How much longer in this vale of tears? From several weeks to a few months: a merciful amount of time in which to prepare for the last hour.
What about Father's physical needs? With the offers of help, and plans being developed, he should be able to stay, and be cared for, at St. Michael's Rectory in Glenmont, NY.
What can I do? Prayers, particularly an extra Rosary, and whatever else you can manage. Also, some serious spiritual preparation for your own last hour, which is all the more fitting in Lent.
Can I email Father Collins? Not directly, but I will do my best to funnel messages to him. Please use frdahern@aol.com (frdahern@aol.com), and put Father's name in the subject line. You can also ask to be included in updates from me, though I realize that there are several other kindly conduits of information.
Yours in Christ our Savior,
- Fr. Daniel Ahern
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on March 27, 2019, 05:00:04 PM
Father is a private man.  I know everyone's intentions are good, but I hope he is aware that all of this has been shared in a general, public setting such as this.  I do not believe that the cancer diagnosis is official yet, but it looks inevitable.

In any event, since it's all out there now, we all need to pray and pray hard.  I'm asking for a miracle from Our Lord and, if it be His Will, He will provide.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Clemens Maria on March 27, 2019, 09:59:12 PM
I believe the report previous to Fr Ahern’s was correct but it was outdated.  The initial exam showed no cancer but the full analysis including cat scan showed stage 4 (metastatic) pancreatic cancer.  If you have been following the Alex Trebec saga you know there is only a 3% chance of survival beyond 5 years.  Essentially it’s a death sentence and obviously from Fr Ahern’s report that’s how Fr Collins is approaching it.  There is nothing wrong with praying for a full recovery but be prepared to accept God’s Will.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on March 31, 2019, 10:46:12 AM
As I stated up-thread, the diagnosis is not official/confirmed yet.  Father will be having the biopsy on Thursday.  Please continue to keep him in your prayers.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on April 07, 2019, 06:46:22 AM
Bumping this up.  Please continue to pray. 
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Nishant Xavier on April 07, 2019, 11:14:22 AM
 :pray:
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Lighthouse on April 14, 2019, 12:23:44 AM
I met Father Collins once about 10 years ago. He seemed to be a holy and hard-working priest with a dry sense of humor.
I'll find the holy card he gave me (St. Alphonsus), and say a multitude of prayers
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on April 14, 2019, 06:33:59 AM
I met Father Collins once about 10 years ago. He seemed to be a holy and hard-working priest with a dry sense of humor.
I'll find the holy card he gave me (St. Alphonsus), and say a multitude of prayers
You are very perceptive.  This is Father Collins.    :pray:
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: St Paul on April 14, 2019, 09:11:21 AM
Bumping this up.  Please continue to pray.
Update:
http://www.sgg.org
Fr. Collins’ cancer is progressing towards its inexorable conclusion, but he is supported by many prayers, and blessed to have a good friend and priest to care for him, Fr. McMahon. Fr. Collins will be staying at his rectory at St. Michael’s chapel, rather than returning to Virginia as originally discussed. Amidst all of the sorrow, it is a blessing to have some idea of the “day and the hour” of death, so as to prepare. Thank you for your prayers.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on April 14, 2019, 09:26:12 AM
Update:
http://www.sgg.org
Fr. Collins’ cancer is progressing towards its inexorable conclusion, but he is supported by many prayers, and blessed to have a good friend and priest to care for him, Fr. McMahon. Fr. Collins will be staying at his rectory at St. Michael’s chapel, rather than returning to Virginia as originally discussed. Amidst all of the sorrow, it is a blessing to have some idea of the “day and the hour” of death, so as to prepare. Thank you for your prayers.
Yes, thank you for posting that.  
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on April 14, 2019, 03:44:12 PM
Father Collins wishes to thank you all for your prayers. I saw him today, he is in good spirits and is resigned to God’s will.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: parentsfortruth on April 27, 2019, 02:36:40 PM
Father Collins met his reward right before noon Eastern this morning. https://novusordowatch.org/2019/04/father-joseph-collins-rip/
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: JonnBGood on April 28, 2019, 12:38:09 PM
Can we please get date and time for the funeral so travel arrangements can be made? As irony would have it Fr. Collins is the only one that would regularly give me this type of information. So I am at a bit of a loss here...This is M G if anyone knows me please reply.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on April 28, 2019, 03:11:06 PM

Mark,
I will post it when I find out.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: JonnBGood on April 28, 2019, 03:36:41 PM
Thank you Quo it is much appreciated
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on April 28, 2019, 09:51:19 PM
Here are the plans for Father’s funeral:

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Wednesday, May 1 (http://x-apple-data-detectors://6), St Michael’s Chapel

5 PM (http://x-apple-data-detectors://7) Reception of the Body
7.30 PM (http://x-apple-data-detectors://8) Rosary, followed by Vespers of the Dead

Thursday, May 2 (http://x-apple-data-detectors://9)

10 AM (http://x-apple-data-detectors://10) Matins and Lauds of the Dead
11 AM (http://x-apple-data-detectors://11) Solemn High Requiem Mass, followed by burial
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: JonnBGood on April 29, 2019, 02:35:37 AM
Thank you Quo this means more than I can say. God Bless you all. Hope to see you there God Willing
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Stubborn on April 29, 2019, 05:30:18 AM
 :pray:
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: confusedcatholic on April 29, 2019, 05:49:09 AM
 :pray: :pray: :pray:
:'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on April 29, 2019, 04:33:39 PM
Just received this from Father Cekada:

Dear Friend of Fr. Collins,

We regret to inform you that the lay executor for Fr. Collins' estate, (name redacted), claimed his body, and, in clear opposition to the final wishes Fr. Collins had expressed most recently before he died, cancelled the funeral arrangements that had been made.

This unfortunate turn of events ought to remind everyone that they should appoint someone as an executor or agent for funeral arrangements only if they are absolutely certain that the person can be trusted to respect their final wishes for their funeral.

We will be arranging a Solemn Mass for the repose of Fr. Collins' soul here at St. Gertrude the Great, and we will keep you informed of time and date so you can view the live webcast.

Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord!

Fr. Anthony Cekada
For Bp. Dolan


Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on April 29, 2019, 08:04:56 PM
Just got this in my inbox:

Dear friends of ISOC:
 
Many of you may recall that good Father Joseph Collins celebrated Mass for us at various ISOC conferences.  I'm sad to say that Father is experiencing a very serious medical problem.
 
He has an enlarged liver, possible tumor and will have a CAT scan today. He will also be receiving the Last Rites this weekend.
 
Would you in all Charity, please pray for Father Collins.
 
Thank you.
 
In the loving Hearts of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph,
 
Judith Sharpe
What is ISOC organization anyway?  Is it sedevacantist?  The reason why I ask is because I highly doubt Father would have said mass unacuм the Novus Ordo pope.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: ihsv on April 29, 2019, 10:39:13 PM
What is ISOC organization anyway?  Is it sedevacantist?  The reason why I ask is because I highly doubt Father would have said mass unacuм the Novus Ordo pope.

ISOC produced the docuмentary "What We Have Lost... and the Road to Restoration" back in the 90's, which most trads have seen at some point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJxM7Lo2URw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJxM7Lo2URw)

They have a website where they post interviews from a wide array of trad Catholics, both sedes and non-sedes.  I don't think they focus too much on the disputes and politics of the "loose confederation of warring tribes" that is traditional Catholicism.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on April 30, 2019, 04:26:50 AM
ISOC produced the docuмentary "What We Have Lost... and the Road to Restoration" back in the 90's, which most trads have seen at some point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJxM7Lo2URw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJxM7Lo2URw)

They have a website where they post interviews from a wide array of trad Catholics, both sedes and non-sedes.  I don't think they focus too much on the disputes and politics of the "loose confederation of warring tribes" that is traditional Catholicism.
OK, thank you.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Ladislaus on April 30, 2019, 07:34:17 AM
So ... what arrangements is this executor making instead of the original plan?  Who is this person and why did Father Collins choose him/her?

Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Ladislaus on April 30, 2019, 07:47:55 AM
Presumably he's still going to have some funeral Mass, right?  Just perhaps somewhere else.  One would hope Father Collins did not choose so poorly as to be subjecting himself to cremation or some other horror.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: AMDGJMJ on April 30, 2019, 08:49:05 AM
So ... what arrangements is this executor making instead of the original plan?  Who is this person and why did Father Collins choose him/her?
The executor is one of Fr. Collins closest and dearest friends.  The only change to the funeral arrangements that I am aware of is that it is being held at a later date so the executor of his will can be there along with other people who loved Father dearly who want to sing for his requiem Mass.
I am a bit taken aback by Fr. Cekeda's words against him for doing this.  I have know Fr. Collins a long time and good music and singing for Mass meant a lot to him.  One reason he selected his executor as he did was because he and Father had a great understanding in such matters.  I wish people woukdn't be so quick to judge.  😔
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Pax Vobis on April 30, 2019, 09:04:29 AM
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I wish people woukdn't be so quick to judge.  😔
Fr Cekada is the one who has told everyone that there is a problem.  Another example of his divisive and contentious personality.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on April 30, 2019, 09:35:51 AM
I just wanted to add that plans were made without the executor's imput who was recovering after caring for Fr. Collins for his last 96 hrs. The executor, an honorable man, tried to work something out with +Dolan and Fr. Cekada seeking not to exclude anyone but got no return calls from +Dolan.
Fr. Collins had requested 4 priests and a specific bishop to do his Requiem Mass and neither +Dolan or Fr. Cekada were named.
May 7th is the funeral and on the 8th, the Solemnity of St. Joseph (to whom Fr. Collins was very devoted), there will be an early High Mass. Details will be published shortly.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on April 30, 2019, 11:42:07 AM
I just wanted to add that plans were made without the executor's imput who was recovering after caring for Fr. Collins for his last 96 hrs. The executor, an honorable man, tried to work something out with +Dolan and Fr. Cekada seeking not to exclude anyone but got no return calls from +Dolan.
Fr. Collins had requested 4 priests and a specific bishop to do his Requiem Mass and neither +Dolan or Fr. Cekada were named.
May 7th is the funeral and on the 8th, the Solemnity of St. Joseph (to whom Fr. Collins was very devoted), there will be an early High Mass. Details will be published shortly.
Interesting.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Ladislaus on April 30, 2019, 12:35:46 PM
Fr Cekada is the one who has told everyone that there is a problem.  Another example of his divisive and contentious personality.

Indeed.  That's why I asked.  One received the distinct impression from what Fr. Cekada wrote that the executor was practically going to haul Father Collins off for cremation without so much as a Christian burial.

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.  He's good for that, isn't he?
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Ladislaus on April 30, 2019, 12:39:20 PM
Fr. Collins had requested 4 priests and a specific bishop to do his Requiem Mass and neither +Dolan or Fr. Cekada were named.

Is this the reason for Father Cekada's little "temper tantrum" about the arrangements?

Could I ask which Bishop he requested?  I know that Bishops Kelly/Santay (as well as the priests aligned with them) hold +Dolan to be invalid (as a bishop).
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on April 30, 2019, 12:57:00 PM
Is this the reason for Father Cekada's little "temper tantrum" about the arrangements?

Could I ask which Bishop he requested?  I know that Bishops Kelly/Santay (as well as the priests aligned with them) hold +Dolan to be invalid (as a bishop).

He and +Dolan were contacted and "informed" by a priest on the scene who had no authority and who should have known Fr. Collins' request.
I'm not authorised to mention the name of the bishop but I'm not familiar with him. Announcement should come before long.  
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on April 30, 2019, 03:38:16 PM
I'm not authorised to mention the name of the bishop but I'm not familiar with him. Announcement should come before long.  
Not familiar?  Hmm.  That's odd given it would seem that whatever bishop Father Collins, a sedevacantist and one of "The Nine", would have requested would be a bishop with whom we all would be familiar.  In fact, it would be much more likely that he would have requested Bishop Dolan, also a sedevacantist and one of his fellow Nine.

:furtive:
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on April 30, 2019, 03:57:57 PM
I just wanted to add that plans were made without the executor's imput who was recovering after caring for Fr. Collins for his last 96 hrs. The executor, an honorable man, tried to work something out with +Dolan and Fr. Cekada seeking not to exclude anyone but got no return calls from +Dolan.
Fr. Collins had requested 4 priests and a specific bishop to do his Requiem Mass and neither +Dolan or Fr. Cekada were named.
May 7th is the funeral and on the 8th, the Solemnity of St. Joseph (to whom Fr. Collins was very devoted), there will be an early High Mass. Details will be published shortly.

I just realized I misstated the funeral information. Here is what the email from yesterday said:

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Services are scheduled for 7 – 8 May, with Vespers of the Dead and the wake/viewing the evening of the 7th (something like 4-8pm) and Matins/Lauds and Mass on the 8th, starting at about 10am. We will have several priests in town, so I would also like to line up a joyful Sung Mass for the Solemnity of St. Joseph before the funeral service, probably around 8 or 830 am. We’ll likely sing the Byrd Mass for Three Voices and the propers in Gregorian. The purpose of the additional Mass would be to honor Father’s fierce devotion to his patron and his devotion to his special feast day, and to fill the day with liturgical music which was his life’s blood as a priest.

I'm not personally familiar with the bishop. From the executor's email:


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Father selected five celebrants for his ceremony: Bishop Neville and Frs. Ringrose, McMahon, Ahern, and Zapp.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Ladislaus on April 30, 2019, 04:00:43 PM
Not familiar?  Hmm.  That's odd given it would seem that whatever bishop Father Collins, a sedevacantist and one of "The Nine", would have requested would be a bishop with whom we all would be familiar.  In fact, it would be much more likely that he would have requested Bishop Dolan, also a sedevacantist and one of his fellow Nine.

:furtive:

But was Fr. Collins in the camp (with Bishop Kelly) who consider the Thuc line invalid?  If so, he wouldn't want +Dolan.

I haven't followed NINE politics in many years.

Here are some Bishops tied to the NINE:  Kelly (consecrated Santay), Sanborn (indirect offshoot = Neville), Dolan.  There are other Thuc bishops floating around, but I didn't know the NINE worked with them at all.  It will be interesting to see who this is.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on April 30, 2019, 04:12:40 PM
But was Fr. Collins in the camp (with Bishop Kelly) who consider the Thuc line invalid?  If so, he wouldn't want +Dolan.

I haven't followed NINE politics in many years.

Here are some Bishops tied to the NINE:  Kelly (consecrated Santay), Sanborn (indirect offshoot = Neville), Dolan.  There are other Thuc bishops floating around, but I didn't know the NINE worked with them at all.  It will be interesting to see who this is.
No, Father Collins considered the Thuc line valid.  So, he most certainly would want Bishop Dolan.  
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on April 30, 2019, 04:19:24 PM
He and +Dolan were contacted and "informed" by a priest on the scene who had no authority and who should have known Fr. Collins' request.
 
Was the priest "on the scene" Father McMahon, the priest that lived with him at the rectory and took on his priestly duties at St Michael's Chapel?
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: FaithfulFriend on April 30, 2019, 04:22:51 PM
[font=.SF UI Text][font=.SFUIText]Father Collins, while independent and with specific beliefs, held his fellow clergy in high esteem and would not want fellow Catholics to be arguing like this.  And certainly not disparaging each other or clergy.  It's such a shame this is where it is at.  I can verify however as a personal friend of Father Collins and directly involved in conversations whereby Bishop Dolan was most certainly requested to offer his Requiem Mass, even to the point that the obituary that was written with Father while alive included a request that donations be made in his in his name to Bishop Daniel Dolan / St. Gertrude the Great Chapel, in part to cover expenses that he and necessary clergy would incur while traveling to New York.  Based on this and the steps that were taken while Father was alive, and the coordination necessary to provide the type of Mass Father requested, it is understandable that Bishop Dolan would feel less than favorable at being dismissed from the entire equation.   I think most everyone else would as well. This is an unfortunate situation where many things are being thrown around, some might be valid and others definitely not.  In either case, I urge you to pray on things prior to posting information, especially as it relates to detracting from others and reflect instead on the repose of Father Collins soul, which is where our concentration should lie. [/font][/font][/color]
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Ladislaus on April 30, 2019, 04:26:02 PM
No, Father Collins considered the Thuc line valid.  So, he most certainly would want Bishop Dolan.  

OK, then he might have some other reason for wanting someone else.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Ladislaus on April 30, 2019, 04:27:44 PM
So now the claim is that Father Collins wanted +Dolan but that the executor dismissed +Dolan?

MariaAuxliadora:
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Fr. Collins had requested 4 priests and a specific bishop to do his Requiem Mass and neither +Dolan or Fr. Cekada were named.

So, this is ambiguous now.  Does his mean that Fr. Collins requested +Dolan but the executor "did not name" them?

So this executor called +Dolan, but +Dolan never called him back?  Why?  Was it because +Dolan wasn't allowed to have the Mass on the day he wanted it?

Why are the NINE such drama queens about everything?
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: 2Vermont on April 30, 2019, 04:28:31 PM
[font=.SF UI Text][font=.SFUIText]Father Collins, while independent and with specific beliefs, held his fellow clergy in high esteem and would not want fellow Catholics to be arguing like this.  And certainly not disparaging each other or clergy.  It's such a shame this is where it is at.  I can verify however as a personal friend of Father Collins and directly involved in conversations whereby Bishop Dolan was most certainly requested to offer his Requiem Mass, even to the point that the obituary that was written with Father while alive included a request that donations be made in his in his name to Bishop Daniel Dolan / St. Gertrude the Great Chapel, in part to cover expenses that he and necessary clergy would incur while traveling to New York.  Based on this and the steps that were taken while Father was alive, and the coordination necessary to provide the type of Mass Father requested, it is understandable that Bishop Dolan would feel less than favorable at being dismissed from the entire equation.   I think most everyone else would as well. This is an unfortunate situation where many things are being thrown around, some might be valid and others definitely not.  In either case, I urge you to pray on things prior to posting information, especially as it relates to detracting from others and reflect instead on the repose of Father Collins soul, which is where our concentration should lie. [/font][/font]
Thank you for sharing that.    :pray:
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on April 30, 2019, 05:08:12 PM
So now the claim is that Father Collins wanted +Dolan but that the executor dismissed +Dolan?

MariaAuxliadora:
So, this is ambiguous now.  Does his mean that Fr. Collins requested +Dolan but the executor "did not name" them?

So this executor called +Dolan, but +Dolan never called him back?  Why?  Was it because +Dolan wasn't allowed to have the Mass on the day he wanted it?

Why are the NINE such drama queens about everything?

See the second quote on post # 51 (link below). One of the priests, who was not authorized, called +Dolan and Fr. Cekada, not the executor. Read previous posts on page 3 by AMDGJMJ and mine. I can assure you that there is no more trustworthy person than the executor to follow Father's wishes or one who loved him more. His family included.

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/prayers-for-father-joseph-collins/msg652263/#msg652263
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on April 30, 2019, 10:05:46 PM
[font=.SF UI Text][font=.SFUIText]Father Collins, while independent and with specific beliefs, held his fellow clergy in high esteem and would not want fellow Catholics to be arguing like this.  And certainly not disparaging each other or clergy.  It's such a shame this is where it is at.  I can verify however as a personal friend of Father Collins and directly involved in conversations whereby Bishop Dolan was most certainly requested to offer his Requiem Mass, even to the point that the obituary that was written with Father while alive included a request that donations be made in his in his name to Bishop Daniel Dolan / St. Gertrude the Great Chapel, in part to cover expenses that he and necessary clergy would incur while traveling to New York.  Based on this and the steps that were taken while Father was alive, and the coordination necessary to provide the type of Mass Father requested, it is understandable that Bishop Dolan would feel less than favorable at being dismissed from the entire equation.   I think mos[/font][/font]
  • The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/)
[font=.SF UI Text][font=.SFUIText]t everyone else would as well. This is an unfortunate situation where many things are being thrown around, some might be valid and others definitely not.  In either case, I urge you to pray on things prior to posting information, especially as it relates to detracting from others and reflect instead on the repose of Father Collins soul, which is where our concentration should lie. [/font][/font]

You should reveal your name if you were so close to Fr. Collins and explain how conversations to which the executor was not privy should be considered to have more legal weight than the express text of the Will.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on May 01, 2019, 12:04:12 PM
This was posted on Fr. Cekada's Facebook page April 30th. I just learned about it:

 (https://www.facebook.com/randa.sharpe.5)
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Randa Sharpe (https://www.facebook.com/randa.sharpe.5) Dear Fr. Cekada: This is CDR John Sharpe, USN, the Executor of Fr. Collins's Estate - as you correctly note. (I write from my wife's account with her permission.) Despite my personal distaste for social media, I feel obliged to point out that your post is factually inaccurate and defamatory, as the text of Fr. Collins's Last Will and Testament will confirm. I respectfully request and demand that you remove it from public view and/or circulation immediately. (I also note for your benefit that it is likely actionable in my home state of Maryland under the latter's long-arm jurisdiction statute.) Those of your followers or readers (or whatever they are called) who are interested in the facts may contact me directly via cell phone at 757 332 2074 or email at john.sharpe@charter.net (john.sharpe@charter.net). Additionally, anyone interested in simply attending Fr. Collins's funeral to pray for the repose of his soul and celebrate his tremendous, one-of-a-kind legacy, are encouraged and absolutely welcome to do so (on the evening of May 7 and the morning of May 8 in Glenmont, NY), putting aside the questions of who officiates at the ceremonies and the date they are conducted. (Incidentally, and finally, you may be interested to know that email transcripts and records of text messages, telephone calls, and voicemails will confirm my attempts on this past Saturday (less than 6 hours after Fr.'s entrance into immortality), Sunday, and Monday to contact Bishop Dolan directly - who personally provided me with his direct email address for that purpose - in order to coordinate and collaborate with him - rather than exclude him, his enterprise, or you - with regard to details of the funeral rites. Your defamatory social media post was, as it happens, the only reply I received in response to my otherwise unsuccessful communications attempts.) Yours most sincerely in Our Lord and His Holy Mother. --Feast of St. Catherine of Siena.

Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Pax Vobis on May 01, 2019, 12:29:06 PM
I know John Sharpe personally; he's a good catholic man.  Why did +Dolan not coordinate with him on the funeral?  Certainly +Dolan would've been checking emails in the days after Fr Collins' death, right?  None of this makes sense.  Hopefully a big mixup.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Stubborn on May 01, 2019, 12:29:46 PM
Mother of Mercy, this man has stood before the face of Almighty God in judgement for his whole life and is now in his eternity. He was a priest, we believe him to be one of the faithful departed so we must pray for his soul to be released from purgatory - that is what we do. For those who knew him or knew him personally, have Gregorian Masses said for him as soon as possible.

Try to forget Fr. Cekada and the rest of the stuff as much as possible, rest assured none of it matters at all to Fr. Collins now. What matters to him is that we do what we can for his soul to ease his suffering and get out of purgatory as soon as possible, for most of us, that means pray for his soul - for those of us who help him out, in return, he will never stop helping us get to heaven until we actually get there. That's all the maters now.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on May 01, 2019, 01:19:20 PM
Mother of Mercy, this man has stood before the face of Almighty God in judgement for his whole life and is now in his eternity. He was a priest, we believe him to be one of the faithful departed so we must pray for his soul to be released from purgatory - that is what we do. For those who knew him or knew him personally, have Gregorian Masses said for him as soon as possible.

Try to forget Fr. Cekada and the rest of the stuff as much as possible, rest assured none of it matters at all to Fr. Collins now. What matters to him is that we do what we can for his soul to ease his suffering and get out of purgatory as soon as possible, for most of us, that means pray for his soul - for those of us who help him out, in return, he will never stop helping us get to heaven until we actually get there. That's all the maters now.

Our priest, Fr. Waters, started the Gregorian Masses for him April 29th.
Title: Re: Prayers for Father Joseph Collins
Post by: Chronologic4 on May 02, 2019, 08:24:08 PM
I will pray for him.  Thank you!