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Offline Cryptinox

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Do the co-consecrators in the byzantine rite say the form?
« on: July 25, 2020, 11:46:44 PM »
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  • I was wondering this because I came across  a lineage of an eastern rite catholic bishop who was consecrated by Eugene Tisserant as the main consecrator. Also was Tisserant biritual or something? Here is a link to the site where I learned of this. https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/belko.html. This bishop was apparently the Titular Bishop of Apollonias which judging by my research seems to be a Roman see so maybe he was consecrated in the Roman rite.
    I recant many opinions on the crisis in the Church and moral theology that I have espoused on here from at least 2019-2021 don't take my postings from that time as well as 2022 possibly too seriously.

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    Re: Do the co-consecrators in the byzantine rite say the form?
    « Reply #1 on: July 26, 2020, 07:25:15 AM »
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  • Most Byzantines are consecrated as follows

    During the Divine Liturgy, after the Trisagion the Bishop-Elect kneels before the Holy Table, touching his forehead to it while the Gospel Book is opened and laid, with the writing down, upon his neck. All of the Consecrating Bishops place their hands on the Gospel and say the Prayer of Consecration, during which the Holy Spirit descends upon the new Bishop and imparts the grace of the Episcopate upon him. The Bishop is then clothed in the vestments of a Bishop and presented to the people. The ancient participation of the laity in the Consecration of Bishops is retained in their triple acclamation of Axios ("He is worthy") at the time the omophorion is placed on the new Bishop's shoulders.
    According to the Canon 1 of the Apostolic Canons, the Consecration of a Bishop must be accomplished by three or more Bishops.
    After his Consecration, if he is elected to be a ruling Bishop of a Diocese, he is formally enthroned (installed) as the ruling Bishop by the Senior (Consecrating) Bishop. The enthronement usually takes place at the end of the Consecration Liturgy.
    The Consecrating Bishop leads the newly ordained Bishop through the Royal Doors to to the congregation and then bestows upon him the final liturgical items associated with the Episcopacy. With the bestowal of each liturgical item he exclaims: Axios! (He is worthy!)
    The congregation responds each time, "Axios! Axios! Axios!" (He is worthy!)
    The Archbishop presents him with the Pastoral Staff, the emblem of Episcopal authority that the Church entrusts to him, saying:
    Receive this Staff to shepherd the flock of Christ entrusted to you. To the obedient let it be a help and a support. With it, lead the disobedient and the wayward to admonishment and instruction.
    The newly ordained Bishop is led by the Bishops to his Episcopal Throne where he pronounces the final blessing of the Divine Liturgy, to which the faithful respond Eis Polla Eti Despota – Many Years Master!

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    Re: Do the co-consecrators in the byzantine rite say the form?
    « Reply #2 on: July 26, 2020, 07:38:43 AM »
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  • He was ordained in Rome, built all his churches with iconostasis was repudiated by his people, banished to Rome and became auxiliary bishop of a Latin diocese.
    No being able to see pictures of the ordination but knowing he was ordained ny the head of the Oriental congregation, would guess that he would be ordained properly (in his rite)
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    Re: Do the co-consecrators in the byzantine rite say the form?
    « Reply #3 on: July 26, 2020, 07:42:27 AM »
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  • Also, again, you need to stop looking at Eastern Catholic ordination and applying rules for the Latin Church, we have our own canons.
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    Re: Do the co-consecrators in the byzantine rite say the form?
    « Reply #4 on: July 26, 2020, 03:05:02 PM »
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  • Should read "without iconostasis"
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    Re: Do the co-consecrators in the byzantine rite say the form?
    « Reply #5 on: July 26, 2020, 04:50:24 PM »
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  • I think that everyone needs to drop the Tisserant nonsense.  Even if he had been a Mason, the Orders he conferred are valid.