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Offline Telesphorus

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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2013, 11:53:56 AM »
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    How exactly do you get rid of them?  And how do you tell whether they are pro-feminist or just slightly tainted?


    The instigators are easy enough to spot.


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    « Reply #16 on: August 09, 2013, 12:02:41 PM »
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    How exactly do you get rid of them?  And how do you tell whether they are pro-feminist or just slightly tainted?


    The instigators are easy enough to spot.


    Do you not think it likely that once you started down that road, there would be no obvious place to end it.  Someone would always be more liberal than the person doing the spotting.  There is a very good podcast series by Dan Carlin on the Anabaptists which describes exactly this happening.  They descended into a sort of self-destructive madness out of an uncompromising zeal and basically destroyed themselves.

    How exactly would a parish priest determine who was a liberal plant and who was being calumnated?

    You claim to have been on the receiving end of SSPX injustice yourself, so I would assume you believe they can get it wrong.

    Can the resistance afford to get even smaller?


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    « Reply #17 on: August 09, 2013, 12:08:26 PM »
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    Do you not think it likely that once you started down that road, there would be no obvious place to end it.


    People with your sympathies were in charge of FE, and look where it ended up.

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    Someone would always be more liberal than the person doing the spotting.


    It's very simple when someone holds heterodox views and blames trad men for their wives breaking their marriage vows.  Those people need to shut up or get out.

     
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    There is a very good podcast series by Dan Carlin on the Anabaptists which describes exactly this happening.  They descended into a sort of self-destructive madness out of an uncompromising zeal and basically destroyed themselves.

    How exactly would a parish priest determine who was a liberal plant and who was being calumnated?


    Liberals in trad groups obviously have no problem purging the legit trads, and never have.

    They cry "witchhunt' when they're exposed for what they are.

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    You claim to have been on the receiving end of SSPX injustice yourself, so I would assume you believe they can get it wrong.

    Can the resistance afford to get even smaller?


    Can a resistance websites afford to keep heterodox people insulting it here?

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    « Reply #18 on: August 09, 2013, 02:05:30 PM »
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    My daughter is at the age to start seriously dating (she's pushing 20). If she ever comes home with a man who calls himself a trad, I'm going to be on high alert. For her own protection. While my husband is Catholic in name only, I am profoundly grateful that I am not married to someone who will crush me in the name of "traditionalism" and put me in danger of walking away from the faith again. I endured those types of men when I had no choice. I will never, ever endure it again, and I'll go through hell and highwater to see to it that my daughter doesn't have to endure it.
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    What a disgusting woman. She intends to keep traditional Catholic men away from her daughter, "for her own protection", while extolling the virtues of her "Catholic in name only" (meaning apostate) husband. Quite obviously, this woman is not a Catholic. That ggreg admires her to the point of reproducing her post, accompanied with positive commentary, on this forum, is quite telling.




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    « Reply #19 on: August 09, 2013, 02:21:44 PM »
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    Please pray for my wife. She has been battling depression for the last 9 months. She had recently told me that she no longer wants to be a Catholic anymore (at least not a Traditional Catholic) and that she no longer loves me. We have 6 children and she is willing to leave them (possibly temporary)also just so that she is happy. She accused me of being controlling and is tired of being controlled by the Catholic Church. I attempt to explain to her that our Lord had established the Church to guide us to heaven and that rejecting the Church would be rejecting Christ. She refuses to seek counseling or to talk to a priest. I love her with my whole heart. Please pray that she accepts counseling from a priest soon, returns to the Catholic Faith, and give our marriage a second chance.


    Oh, hell no. Pardon my French. You've got to stop her now (for better/worse, and she's 'worse') because no sane woman is going to leave her kids (or give up Mass for clowns!). We had something similar in our parish years ago. Actually, the woman strongly indicated she would harm her children, not just leave them, which scared us (we women almost called the authorities, but our priest said we should dig in and help them somehow). I mean, she cursed her husband in front of the kids; cursed the Church, cursed society, etc. We knew something about her had changed, but it got worse and worse.

    Coming from that experience, I've gotta say DON'T be all lovey-dovey with her and try to "explain" anything. Her sane self knows what you're explaining, but she's probably not capable of hearing you now. (Mid-life crisis? Psychotic break? IDK.)

    We offered to support this woman's husband (testify if necessary) so he could get an involuntary psych hold. But in the end, we (women from the parish) were able to get her voluntarily commit herself for "observation". (We said what's one week versus making mistakes that would destroy herself and her family. And in a freak moment of clarity, she agreed to a hospital stay IF a doctor said she needed it). If your wife agrees to see a doctor (medical), don't delay it; get her to the ER.

    The ER ppl here just kept her on the psych wing for 3 days, but gave her all these tests, and it turned out she had some problem with her heart (can't recall the details) that would be life-threatening if not treated. She was actually happy that something physical might be blamed for her change in temperament, but the treatment required more hospital stay and a cardio guy, and she had to agree to counseling. She got mood stabilizers, too, which made her sleepy, but after a long time (many months), she started showing marked improvement.

    I think it's a red flag for a parent (either male or female) to want to drop his or her whole life (esp if they have kids!) for "anything else", but by that point, the person has little self-insight (they blame everything else BUT themselves). So you need to stand up and insist she get some medical help. (And med. doctors usually agree that such depression/behaviors need "treatment", and will also run all sorts of tests as well as observe her psychiatric state).

    The woman at our parish was so scary that I signed a POA so my husband could decide if I were ever "beside myself" and needed help. I'd WANT to be locked up if I ever got like that. It's a mercy.

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    « Reply #20 on: August 09, 2013, 02:25:02 PM »
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  • She did not say she would keep her away, she said she would be on high-alert to make sure that the man wasn't an unhinged control-freak.

    She's not claiming all, or even most, Trad men are like this, just that for a significant minority it seems to be how they roll.  I find it hard to disagree with that, since over 30 years I've seen that controlling behaviour.

    And while marrying a lapsed Catholic is less than ideal, she has stayed married to him for at least 25 years, which is more than some Trad couples manage.

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    « Reply #21 on: August 09, 2013, 04:25:39 PM »
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    She did not say she would keep her away, she said she would be on high-alert to make sure that the man wasn't an unhinged control-freak.

    She's not claiming all, or even most, Trad men are like this, just that for a significant minority it seems to be how they roll.  I find it hard to disagree with that, since over 30 years I've seen that controlling behaviour.

    And while marrying a lapsed Catholic is less than ideal, she has stayed married to him for at least 25 years, which is more than some Trad couples manage.


    I found Jenn's post to be the epitome of self-indulgence and full of vanity.  Vainglorious to the max.  

    Women who are glad to be married to CINO's are really just looking for "grace" on the cheap - they want to be the most holy person around and the way to do that is to surround yourself with agnostics.  

    Catholics and alcohol go together like bees and honey or even peanut butter and jelly.  I am so accustomed to Catholic men drinking beer that I find it "foreign" to hear of Catholic trads acting like puritans.  

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    « Reply #22 on: August 09, 2013, 05:39:13 PM »
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  • Telesphorus,

    Thank you for your suggestion to contact the Carmelites and Fr. de la Tour.


    StCeciliasGirl,

    The description that you gave is pretty close to my situation. She has not threaten to hurt her family but she has made a couple vain attempts to hurt herself. She sought secular counseling but lost trust in them. She misses her previous life and her situation closely resembles a midlife crisis.

    I to try to pull examples of my controlling behavior from her but she gives general answers, nothing specific that exemplifies a tyrannical environment. Regarding the Trad Cath's, she thinks they are all judgmental. I agree that she has been expose to as couple of bad apples but for the most part most people at our parish are nothing like that.

    I have modified my management of the family so that I would not sweat the small stuff and any major things I would have private conversations with my children to minimize the damages. We still pray the rosary together and for the most part she attends.

    The hard part is that I will try for days to keep the peace, think twice before opening my mouth, and go out of my way to do special things for her. Things are great for a few days and then she has an anxiety attack. I ask her if there was anything I did and she would say no. I believe there something physically wrong with her and is affecting her mind.

    Please continue to pray.



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    « Reply #23 on: August 10, 2013, 10:44:13 PM »
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  • This is just a statement:  Contraceptives affects the brain and takes away libido and leaves a woman grumpy and such.  Mid-life is also to be considered.  Evening Prime Rose oil is very helpful, B12 shots may be necessary for agressive feelings.  A doctor of natural ways would be a good start.

    My husband was like your wife at age 50.  He scared me to death.  He needed the b12 shots and a confessions.  He was a new man!

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    « Reply #24 on: August 11, 2013, 03:10:05 PM »
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  •  :pray:

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    « Reply #25 on: August 11, 2013, 05:19:24 PM »
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    And while marrying a lapsed Catholic is less than ideal, she has stayed married to him for at least 25 years, which is more than some Trad couples manage.

    I wouldn't want to be married to someone on the road to hell.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.


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    « Reply #26 on: August 11, 2013, 06:00:11 PM »
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  • But she IS married to him.  What would you suggest, that they divorce?

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    « Reply #27 on: August 12, 2013, 04:41:25 AM »
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  •  :pray:
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse