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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Pray for the soul of Fr. Leo Carley
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2026, 04:53:31 AM »
:pray:
Any news on what is going on now with his chapel?

Online Ladislaus

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Re: Pray for the soul of Fr. Leo Carley
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2026, 06:45:47 AM »
:pray:
Any news on what is going on now with his chapel?

Yes, actually.  Unbeknownst to even the Trustees, Father Carley made some late changes to the Trust ... resulting in much confusion.  But, in the end, realizing that the chances were extremely high that SSPX would simply sell the property (based on similar situations), especially since their chapel had moved to within a 25-minute drive of his ... he specified that the Board should obtain the services of a validly-ordained Independent priest (Father considered the New Orders almost certainly invalid, so the latest SSPX moves to justify why they don't conditionally ordained factored in), but only as a last resort should they sign things over to SSPX, and only if there's a "no-sale" clause in the agreement and SSPX would commit to at least a weekly Sunday MORNING (between 9 and 11) Mass ... which we know they'll never do.  SSPX never accept anything with strings attached.  I don't necessarily blame them, but that's just how it is.  Yet I do think it would be wrong for them to sell it if Father's intentions in handing over the property was to keep the chapel going for the faithful he served for 40+ years.  Now, the question came up about confirmation, etc. ... and Father Carley insisted that the priest maintain good relations with SSPX (in so far as possible) and that the Board should send donations each year to SSPX in general and the seminary, where I guess he hoped that this would suffice, but I'm less certain about that than he is.

So, after the dust settled, Father Carlos Casavantes will be taking over as a resident priest, and Father Carley had made the arrangement directly with him, since he figured the Board would have a difficult time working that out.

Now, there are some agitators at the chapel demanding "proof" that Father Casavantes had been conditionally ordained, and evidently the inquiries Father Carley made, as well as my own testimony, and that of a couple others doesn't satisfy them.  SSPX never issued "certificates" for conditionals, but I know from all the way back in the Summer of 1990 that Father Casavantes had been conditionally ordained in 1989 by Bishop Williamson, one of the first after his consecration.  I also have similar testimony from another individual who was a seminarian at the same time I was.  But since my info is second hand, from others I consider trustworthy, the agitators aren't accepting that.  90% of those there find Father Casavantes' word, that of Father Carley, myself, and the other seminarian, to be trustworthy.

Now ... Father Wolfgang Goettler, the Vice Rector, actually recorded the conditional, and Jason Huvar was directly involved, whereas Joe Pfeiffer was the sacristan who set up for it and then put everything away afterwards.  Now, the problem is, of course, with SSPX, it's impossible to find anyone anymore.  That has to be done on purpose.  For several years now, there's no directory of clergy they publish, and undoubtedly it has to do with them trying to force Novus Ordo presiders who had not been conditionally ordained onto people.

So, I cannot find Father Wolfgang Goettler.  Jason Huvar was ordained, but then left the priesthood and is now married, and I know nothing about his whereabouts, and I'm not quite sure about how I might get a hold of Father (or Bishop?) Joseph Pfeiffer.  SSPX undoubtedly will not be cooperative, as if I called there asking for verification, they would know why I'm calling.

So ... if anyone happens to have contact information for Father Goettler, or Jason Huvar, or even Bishop? Pfeiffer, I would appreciate it.  Bishop / Father Pfeiffer I'm not so sure I would want to get involved with in case a certain Pablo ends up acting as his intermediary.  I knew Joe at STAS also, and like him a great deal.  At the time, he was a jovial fellow, smiling a lot ... and was known for his jokes using butchered Latin during the Friday lunch when we were required to speak in Latin ... with sayings like "da michi shpudibush" (for passing over the potatoes).  I am told that his personality changed after the drowning incident, and I think that when people exerperience trauma, they're more susceptible to certain types of Pablesque influences.

But we should pray for all these, who represent almost a microcosm of the priests who are all in a sense victims of the Conciliar Revolution.  Father Goettler ... he was steady as a rock, staying in SSPX (as far as I know), Huvar leaving the priesthood (my spiritual director, Father Delaplace, did the same), and Joe Pfeiffer.  We're only missing a few that had gone SV since then ... in that list.  There were many there at STAS during my time who did go in that direction ... now-Bishop Robert Neville (I actually taught him Latin class back in the day), Father / Bishop? Terence Fulham, and then a few who went rogue:  Andrade, Roman, Petko (I'm sure there are others if I think about it). 


Offline Gray2023

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Re: Pray for the soul of Fr. Leo Carley
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2026, 07:08:45 AM »
Yes, actually.  Unbeknownst to even the Trustees, Father Carley made some late changes to the Trust ... resulting in much confusion.  But, in the end, realizing that the chances were extremely high that SSPX would simply sell the property (based on similar situations), especially since their chapel had moved to within a 25-minute drive of his ... he specified that the Board should obtain the services of a validly-ordained Independent priest (Father considered the New Orders almost certainly invalid, so the latest SSPX moves to justify why they don't conditionally ordained factored in), but only as a last resort should they sign things over to SSPX, and only if there's a "no-sale" clause in the agreement and SSPX would commit to at least a weekly Sunday MORNING (between 9 and 11) Mass ... which we know they'll never do.  SSPX never accept anything with strings attached.  I don't necessarily blame them, but that's just how it is.  Yet I do think it would be wrong for them to sell it if Father's intentions in handing over the property was to keep the chapel going for the faithful he served for 40+ years.  Now, the question came up about confirmation, etc. ... and Father Carley insisted that the priest maintain good relations with SSPX (in so far as possible) and that the Board should send donations each year to SSPX in general and the seminary, where I guess he hoped that this would suffice, but I'm less certain about that than he is.

So, after the dust settled, Father Carlos Casavantes will be taking over as a resident priest, and Father Carley had made the arrangement directly with him, since he figured the Board would have a difficult time working that out.

Now, there are some agitators at the chapel demanding "proof" that Father Casavantes had been conditionally ordained, and evidently the inquiries Father Carley made, as well as my own testimony, and that of a couple others doesn't satisfy them.  SSPX never issued "certificates" for conditionals, but I know from all the way back in the Summer of 1990 that Father Casavantes had been conditionally ordained in 1989 by Bishop Williamson, one of the first after his consecration.  I also have similar testimony from another individual who was a seminarian at the same time I was.  But since my info is second hand, from others I consider trustworthy, the agitators aren't accepting that.  90% of those there find Father Casavantes' word, that of Father Carley, myself, and the other seminarian, to be trustworthy.

Now ... Father Wolfgang Goettler, the Vice Rector, actually recorded the conditional, and Jason Huvar was directly involved, whereas Joe Pfeiffer was the sacristan who set up for it and then put everything away afterwards.  Now, the problem is, of course, with SSPX, it's impossible to find anyone anymore.  That has to be done on purpose.  For several years now, there's no directory of clergy they publish, and undoubtedly it has to do with them trying to force Novus Ordo presiders who had not been conditionally ordained onto people.

So, I cannot find Father Wolfgang Goettler.  Jason Huvar was ordained, but then left the priesthood and is now married, and I know nothing about his whereabouts, and I'm not quite sure about how I might get a hold of Father (or Bishop?) Joseph Pfeiffer.  SSPX undoubtedly will not be cooperative, as if I called there asking for verification, they would know why I'm calling.

So ... if anyone happens to have contact information for Father Goettler, or Jason Huvar, or even Bishop? Pfeiffer, I would appreciate it.  Bishop / Father Pfeiffer I'm not so sure I would want to get involved with in case a certain Pablo ends up acting as his intermediary.  I knew Joe at STAS also, and like him a great deal.  At the time, he was a jovial fellow, smiling a lot ... and was known for his jokes using butchered Latin during the Friday lunch when we were required to speak in Latin ... with sayings like "da michi shpudibush" (for passing over the potatoes).  I am told that his personality changed after the drowning incident, and I think that when people exerperience trauma, they're more susceptible to certain types of Pablesque influences.

But we should pray for all these, who represent almost a microcosm of the priests who are all in a sense victims of the Conciliar Revolution.  Father Goettler ... he was steady as a rock, staying in SSPX (as far as I know), Huvar leaving the priesthood (my spiritual director, Father Delaplace, did the same), and Joe Pfeiffer.  We're only missing a few that had gone SV since then ... in that list.  There were many there at STAS during my time who did go in that direction ... now-Bishop Robert Neville (I actually taught him Latin class back in the day), Father / Bishop? Terence Fulham, and then a few who went rogue:  Andrade, Roman, Petko (I'm sure there are others if I think about it).
:pray::pray::pray:

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Re: Pray for the soul of Fr. Leo Carley
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2026, 08:50:01 AM »
Yes, actually.  Unbeknownst to even the Trustees, Father Carley made some late changes to the Trust ... resulting in much confusion.  But, in the end, realizing that the chances were extremely high that SSPX would simply sell the property (based on similar situations), especially since their chapel had moved to within a 25-minute drive of his ... he specified that the Board should obtain the services of a validly-ordained Independent priest (Father considered the New Orders almost certainly invalid, so the latest SSPX moves to justify why they don't conditionally ordained factored in), but only as a last resort should they sign things over to SSPX, and only if there's a "no-sale" clause in the agreement and SSPX would commit to at least a weekly Sunday MORNING (between 9 and 11) Mass ... which we know they'll never do.  SSPX never accept anything with strings attached.  I don't necessarily blame them, but that's just how it is.  Yet I do think it would be wrong for them to sell it if Father's intentions in handing over the property was to keep the chapel going for the faithful he served for 40+ years.  Now, the question came up about confirmation, etc. ... and Father Carley insisted that the priest maintain good relations with SSPX (in so far as possible) and that the Board should send donations each year to SSPX in general and the seminary, where I guess he hoped that this would suffice, but I'm less certain about that than he is.

So, after the dust settled, Father Carlos Casavantes will be taking over as a resident priest, and Father Carley had made the arrangement directly with him, since he figured the Board would have a difficult time working that out.

Now, there are some agitators at the chapel demanding "proof" that Father Casavantes had been conditionally ordained, and evidently the inquiries Father Carley made, as well as my own testimony, and that of a couple others doesn't satisfy them.  SSPX never issued "certificates" for conditionals, but I know from all the way back in the Summer of 1990 that Father Casavantes had been conditionally ordained in 1989 by Bishop Williamson, one of the first after his consecration.  I also have similar testimony from another individual who was a seminarian at the same time I was.  But since my info is second hand, from others I consider trustworthy, the agitators aren't accepting that.  90% of those there find Father Casavantes' word, that of Father Carley, myself, and the other seminarian, to be trustworthy.

Now ... Father Wolfgang Goettler, the Vice Rector, actually recorded the conditional, and Jason Huvar was directly involved, whereas Joe Pfeiffer was the sacristan who set up for it and then put everything away afterwards.  Now, the problem is, of course, with SSPX, it's impossible to find anyone anymore.  That has to be done on purpose.  For several years now, there's no directory of clergy they publish, and undoubtedly it has to do with them trying to force Novus Ordo presiders who had not been conditionally ordained onto people.

So, I cannot find Father Wolfgang Goettler.  Jason Huvar was ordained, but then left the priesthood and is now married, and I know nothing about his whereabouts, and I'm not quite sure about how I might get a hold of Father (or Bishop?) Joseph Pfeiffer.  SSPX undoubtedly will not be cooperative, as if I called there asking for verification, they would know why I'm calling.

So ... if anyone happens to have contact information for Father Goettler, or Jason Huvar, or even Bishop? Pfeiffer, I would appreciate it.  Bishop / Father Pfeiffer I'm not so sure I would want to get involved with in case a certain Pablo ends up acting as his intermediary.  I knew Joe at STAS also, and like him a great deal.  At the time, he was a jovial fellow, smiling a lot ... and was known for his jokes using butchered Latin during the Friday lunch when we were required to speak in Latin ... with sayings like "da michi shpudibush" (for passing over the potatoes).  I am told that his personality changed after the drowning incident, and I think that when people exerperience trauma, they're more susceptible to certain types of Pablesque influences.

But we should pray for all these, who represent almost a microcosm of the priests who are all in a sense victims of the Conciliar Revolution.  Father Goettler ... he was steady as a rock, staying in SSPX (as far as I know), Huvar leaving the priesthood (my spiritual director, Father Delaplace, did the same), and Joe Pfeiffer.  We're only missing a few that had gone SV since then ... in that list.  There were many there at STAS during my time who did go in that direction ... now-Bishop Robert Neville (I actually taught him Latin class back in the day), Father / Bishop? Terence Fulham, and then a few who went rogue:  Andrade, Roman, Petko (I'm sure there are others if I think about it).
Didn't Father Casavantes join the FSSP? Last I heard he was operating a chapel in the Fort Wayne Indiana area.

Online Ladislaus

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Re: Pray for the soul of Fr. Leo Carley
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2026, 10:56:55 AM »
Didn't Father Casavantes join the FSSP? Last I heard he was operating a chapel in the Fort Wayne Indiana area.

He was not "operating" anything, but was listed as "in residence" at Fort Wayne ... which, unless a priest can no longer function due to age or health, generally means that they're not completely on board somehow.

https://sacredheartfw.org/contact-us/

Pastor: Fr. Dominic Savoie, FSSP – frsavoie@outlook.com

Parochial Vicar: Fr. Edward Brodsky, FSSP

In Residence: Fr. Carlos Casavantes, FSSP