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Title: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: DigitalLogos on August 11, 2021, 09:45:35 AM
The recent WCB noted a letter sent to them by Fr. Chazal, who is apparently suffering from some form of illness that may be COVID-related. Fr. Jenkins reads this letter at the beginning of the program around 29:30. It's apparently progressed to some pneumonia and he's seeking out a prescription for ivermectin.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RsaynqfcFuE

The TradCath Sermons channel has had video updates of him as well
https://youtu.be/zHiFAPRQPgk

Keep him in your prayers
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Hermes on August 11, 2021, 09:51:03 AM
See here:

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/disaster-strikes-fr-chazal-apostolate-twice/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/disaster-strikes-fr-chazal-apostolate-twice/)
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: DigitalLogos on August 11, 2021, 09:56:39 AM
See here:

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/disaster-strikes-fr-chazal-apostolate-twice/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/disaster-strikes-fr-chazal-apostolate-twice/)
Heh, indeed. Thank you
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Hermes on August 11, 2021, 10:00:56 AM
Heh, indeed. Thank you
The videos you posted I haven’t seen yet though. I am glad to hear he is doing better. It must be even worse to catch an illness in a country whose environment is foreign to your body.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Incredulous on August 11, 2021, 10:13:23 AM


A little dab will do him!

I trust horse vet medicines more than big-pharma human ones.  

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Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Ladislaus on August 11, 2021, 10:41:11 AM
I trust horse vet medicines more than big-pharma human ones.  

You're not wrong.  They have less incentive to mess with horses.  Who knows if after people started using Ivermectin against COVID if they didn't start tampering with them, possibly even replacing them with placebo ... to undermine the efficacy of Ivermectin.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Romulus on August 11, 2021, 10:45:02 AM
You're not wrong.  They have less incentive to mess with horses.  Who knows if after people started using Ivermectin against COVID if they didn't start tampering with them, possibly even replacing them with placebo ... to undermine the efficacy of Ivermectin.
Unless they want to chip them too so we cant ride them with our AR15s while charging into the Russian lines in the not too distant future  :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on August 11, 2021, 11:22:35 AM

A little dab will do him!

I trust horse vet medicines more than big-pharma human ones.  

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👍😂
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on August 11, 2021, 11:23:34 AM
You're not wrong.  They have less incentive to mess with horses.  Who knows if after people started using Ivermectin against COVID if they didn't start tampering with them, possibly even replacing them with placebo ... to undermine the efficacy of Ivermectin.
Very good point, it wouldn’t shock me.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Ladislaus on August 11, 2021, 05:17:58 PM
Unless they want to chip them too so we cant ride them with our AR15s while charging into the Russian lines in the not too distant future  :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:

What a ridiculous scenario; we'll be charging on chipped horses with AK47s into the Chinese lines.  I don't know where you get this stuff.   :laugh1:
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: SeanJohnson on August 11, 2021, 05:26:55 PM
What a ridiculous scenario; we'll be charging on chipped horses with AK47s into the Chinese lines.  I don't know where you get this stuff.   :laugh1:
I tend to think the lines will be a conglomerate of U.N. AND national guard forces.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 05:28:44 PM
What a ridiculous scenario; we'll be charging on chipped horses with AK47s into the Chinese lines.  I don't know where you get this stuff.   :laugh1:
Catholic prophesy, such as those by Alois Irimaier, actually does foresee attacks by Russia.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Ladislaus on August 11, 2021, 05:29:02 PM
I tend to think the lines will be a conglomerate of U.N. AND national guard forces.

Seriously, though, there is a prophecy from that Austrian visionary(?), Irlmaier, which says that the Chinese will invade the US from the West but won't make it far.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 05:38:51 PM
Seriously, though, there is a prophecy from that Austrian visionary(?), Irlmaier, which says that the Chinese will invade the US from the West but won't make it far.
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The German Irimaier predicted both Russian and Asian attacks, so each scenario is equally true. Neither scenario is ridiculous, but ony terrifying.
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One of our friends is a careful reader of Irimaier in German.
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Before his death that he predicted Irimaier expressed his happiness that he would not have to experience the visions he saw,
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That reminds me of Our Lady of Akita's warning that "the survivors will envy the dead."
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Marion on August 11, 2021, 05:51:51 PM
Bavarian Alois Irlmaier was a petty criminal, several times convicted. Most of what he allegedly said, was invented after his death.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 06:04:13 PM
https://greatmonarch-angelicpontiffprophecies.blogspot.com/p/alois-irlmaier1894-1959-deciding.html (https://greatmonarch-angelicpontiffprophecies.blogspot.com/p/alois-irlmaier1894-1959-deciding.html)

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…His visionary skills began to attract attention, and from 1939 Alois Irlmaier was increasingly visited by people who sought for advice and information. He built a small hut for this purpose because so many people came to his property on the weekends. He offered his services for free and were completely voluntary. …However, that did not stop people from claiming he was a fraudster and even a warlock.



In 1947 Irlmaier was reported to the local court in Laufen by a pastor who accused him of fraud and 'jugglery', which was a criminal offense under the Bavarian Police Criminal Code until 1957. Irlmaier had at this time 15 previous criminal records, seven were due to accusations of fraud and the other eight times due to payment / debt difficulties.



During the trial two witnesses stated that Irlmaier's prophecies were contradictory and they did not believe him, while five other witnesses testified that Irlmaier's interpretations were correct. Irlmaier then astounded the court when he was able to describe what the Judge's wife was wearing that particular day and what she was doing right at the time without having seen her or indeed, having never met her. "“Your wife is now at home. A red dress is on and a gentleman is with her. Let's see if it's true," Irlmaier declared, also stating the two were drinking coffee together, and, it turned out to be exactly true.   A fraud conviction was therefore ruled out. The court also cleared Irlmaier of the accusation of juggling, since this could not be determined with the necessary certainty.



The court ruled, “In the present case, the court cannot make a clear statement that the accused is a juggler. Conversely, this is not intended to establish that the defendant's visions… actually arose from a gift of vision. ” However, the court also noted: “The witnesses heard, have confirmed the existence of the gifts of clairvoyance of the accused, and testified things so astonishing and beyond explanation by only the forces of nature, in a way that is impossible to define him as a charlatan.” This ruling can still be found in the Munich State archives: (BezA / LRA 208.026)

Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Ladislaus on August 11, 2021, 06:07:52 PM
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The German Irimaier predicted both Russian and Asian attacks, so each scenario is equally true. Neither scenario is ridiculous, but ony terrifying.
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One of our friends is a careful reader of Irimaier in German.
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Before his death that he predicted Irimaier expressed his happiness that he would not have to experience the visions he saw,
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That reminds me of Our Lady of Akita's warning that "the survivors will envy the dead."

I believe the Russian ones were into Europe and China into the US.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 06:10:11 PM
I believe the Russian ones were into Europe and China into the US.
That is my recollection too.

The Russian scenes were reminiscent of ricin attacks.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Ladislaus on August 11, 2021, 06:10:34 PM
I didn't know that juggling was a crime.  :laugh1:  Maybe it should be.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 06:13:06 PM
I didn't know that juggling was a crime.  :laugh1:  Maybe it should be.
I'll ask my German friend about the supposed criminality.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is a case of "The nail that sticks up gets hammered."

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Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Marion on August 11, 2021, 06:42:32 PM
Irlmaier was a convicted criminal, seven times for fraud and eight times for failure to pay. That was before the case of jugglery.

Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: chrstnoel1 on August 11, 2021, 08:40:31 PM
Irlmaier was a convicted criminal, seven times for fraud and eight times for failure to pay. That was before the case of jugglery.
Any link to your sustain your statement? 
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Marion on August 11, 2021, 08:46:36 PM
Any link to your sustain your statement?

E.g. German wikipedia, article about Alois Irlmaier.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 08:48:34 PM
Any link to your sustain your statement?
At the risk of indulging or engaging the most malignant person here, I found this un-referenced claim: https://greatmonarch-angelicpontiffprophecies.blogspot.com/p/alois-irlmaier1894-1959-deciding.html (https://greatmonarch-angelicpontiffprophecies.blogspot.com/p/alois-irlmaier1894-1959-deciding.html)

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In 1947 Irlmaier was reported to the local court in Laufen by a pastor who accused him of fraud and 'jugglery', which was a criminal offense under the Bavarian Police Criminal Code until 1957. Irlmaier had at this time 15 previous criminal records, seven were due to accusations of fraud and the other eight times due to payment / debt difficulties.

I found nothing to support his "after his death" claim.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Nadir on August 11, 2021, 08:54:36 PM
Any link to your sustain your statement?
Good to see you popping is, chrstnoel. Have you seen Fr Chazal?
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 08:59:08 PM
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1947 wurde Irlmaier, der zu jenem Zeitpunkt 15-fach – siebenfach wegen Betruges und achtmal wegen Zahlungsschwierigkeiten – vorbestraft war, vor dem Amtsgericht in Laufen von einem Pfarrer wegen Betrugs und Gaukelei angezeigt; dies galt nach dem bayerischen Polizeistrafgesetzbuch bis 1957 als Straftat.[3] Im Verfahren bekundeten zwei Zeugen, Irlmaiers widersprüchlichen Prophezeiungen von vornherein keinen Glauben geschenkt zu haben. Fünf andere Zeugen sagten aus, Irlmaiers Deutung sei korrekt gewesen. Eine Verurteilung wegen Betrugs schied deshalb aus. Das Gericht sprach Irlmaier auch vom Vorwurf der Gaukelei frei, da sich dies nicht mit der erforderlichen Sicherheit feststellen ließ.[4]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Irlmaier (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Irlmaier)
(https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Irlmaier)
Footnote #3 cites: Christian Einreiner: Strafrecht und außersinnliche Wahrnehmung. Die Auswirkung der Forschungsergebnisse zur außersinnlichen Wahrnehmung auf das Straf- und Verfahrensrecht in Abgrenzung zum Okkultschwindel, Beiträge zur Strafrechtswissenschaft, Band 9, Berlin 2015, S. 157.

But it is unclear if that footnote supports both claims, "der zu jenem Zeitpunkt 15-fach – siebenfach wegen Betruges und achtmal wegen Zahlungsschwierigkeiten" and "vor dem Amtsgericht in Laufen von einem Pfarrer wegen Betrugs und Gaukelei angezeigt."

In a peer reviewed paper, I would expect the supporting reference to be positioned after each claim, but then this is Wikipedia, whose co-founded (((Larry Sanger))) acknowledged recently is unreliable. https://larrysanger.org/2021/06/wikipedia-is-more-one-sided-than-ever/ (https://larrysanger.org/2021/06/wikipedia-is-more-one-sided-than-ever/)

I see absolutely nothing in the Jewpedia stub claiming that Irimaier's accurate prophesies were fabricated after his death. Quite the contrary, the stub states:


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Irlmaier wird zugeschrieben, während des Zweiten Weltkriegs die Orte von Bombeneinschlägen und den Aufenthaltsort von Vermissten vorausgesagt zu haben.[1] Außerdem wird ihm nachgesagt, bei der Aufklärung von Verbrechen geholfen zu haben.[2]
Footnotes #1 is cited both for finding bombs and finding missing persons: Er sah, was er sagte. In: Der Spiegel. Nr. 39, 1948, S. 27 (online).

Footnotes #2 is cited for solving crimes: Peter Seewald: Der Erdball wird durchs All schlingern. In: Der Spiegel. Nr. 46, 1986, S. 114–118 (online).

In view of this style, a footnote  after each claim, it seems unlikely that Footnote #3 supports "der zu jenem Zeitpunkt 15-fach – siebenfach wegen Betruges und achtmal wegen Zahlungsschwierigkeiten" (the alleged fraud and alleged criminality), but only supports the pastor's claim of fraud and juggling that was rejected by the court.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 09:18:25 PM
but only supports references the pastor's claim of fraud and juggling that was rejected by the court.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Marion on August 11, 2021, 09:37:00 PM
I see absolutely nothing in the Jewpedia stub claiming that Irimaier's accura te prophesies were fabricated after his death. Quite the contrary, the stub states:

Quite the contrary? "zugeschrieben" means attributed, and "nachgesagt" means "rumoured that he said".

But whatever. Nobody said that wikipedia says that much of the Irlmaier "prophecy" was fabricated after his death.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 09:56:46 PM
…Most of what he allegedly said, was invented after his death.
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I addressed the above claim.
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You offered de.wiki as a source, not specifically for the fabrication claim, but the only reference you have offered says not one word about fabrication.
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If anything, the reference you offered notes that Irimaier was vindicated of the pastor's charge of fraud. One other reference that I brought to the table, parrots the claim, but offered no supporting reference.
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My tentative hypothesis is that the charges are just another (((slander))).

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Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Marion on August 11, 2021, 10:01:46 PM
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I addressed the above claim.
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You offered de.wiki as a source, not specifically for the fabrication claim, but the only reference you have offered says not one word about fabrication.

Everybody can see that I answered a specific question of chrstnoel1.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 10:06:38 PM
Everybody can see that I answered a specific question of chrstnoel1.
Everybody can see that you mentioned "fabrication" of Irimaier's prophesies "after his death," but have provided no reference.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Marion on August 11, 2021, 10:12:48 PM
Everybody can see that you mentioned "fabrication" of Irimaier's prophesies "after his death," but have provided no reference.
 
You didn't provide a reference for most of what you said about Irlmaier, either. And you misspell his name, all the time.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 10:27:35 PM
Everybody can see that you mentioned "fabrication" of Irimaier's prophesies "after his death," but have provided no reference.
Really? "All" the time? See above.
Perhaps it has escaped your careless reading that I have impaired vision and so type and read with great difficulty.
I don't always catch my typos, but as it turns out, I typed Irimaier's name 5 times in this thread, now 6 times, and correct each time.
You however are perfect?
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Incredulous on August 11, 2021, 10:27:41 PM

He was a German Catholic well-digger and court "certified" mystic.

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The problems people have with him are that he's Catholic and has always been right about his predictions.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 10:36:57 PM
Do you remember me saying that for me, you are a potential occasion of sin?  This is a salient example. When you make accusations so smugly, it requires great effort to not wish you to go blind in one eye. I thank God for the grace that I haven't wished any ill on you, no matter how odious you are.

Yes, using a magnifying glass I was finally able to see "l," not "i."
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Marion on August 11, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Do you remember me saying that for me, you are a potential occasion of sin?  This is a salient example. When you make accusations so smugly, it requires great effort to not wish you to go blind in one eye. I thank God for the grace that I haven't wished any ill on you, no matter how odious you are.

Yes, using a magnifying glass I was finally able to see "l," not "i."

Do you remember me saying that for me you are an occasion to smile?

Yes, I am aware that you need a special extra dose of grace to not wish ill on others. But, no problem, I'm not afraid of the curse of a disabled sorcerer.

I'll pray 3 Aves for you.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 11, 2021, 11:08:25 PM
Thank you for the prayers.

Still awaiting evidence that IrLmaier's prophesies were fabricated after his death.
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 12, 2021, 05:19:19 PM
From my German friend (who thought is a waste of time to try to convince the invincibly inconvincible):


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I just re-read the chapter about this fraud cases, in Stephan Berndt's biography book which is attached below. It's a PDF-Book in German language only unfortunately, but deepl.com does a good job when we copy-paste some paragraphs. The chapter starts on page 191.

In summary Berndt writes that beginning with 1927, in-midst of the Weimar great misery (morally, economically and financially), Alois with his small company for digging wells, was during a time of 13 years sentenced a dozen times for fraud because of financial problems, like for example once when his customers didn't pay their bills and in-turn he couldn't pay for machines and tools which he already bought on credit, also once he ended in jail for a few months for bankruptcy of his company.

It was a bad time, and people ended in a fast way in court and in jail for financial problems. According to Berndt, today in similar situation you would engage a good business-lawyer and solve such conflicts so that no court or jail would become necessary at all.

These conflicts of Alois happened between 1927 to 1940.
I understand that during the catastrophic Weimar period such things could easily happen. However beginning with 1933 the economy and justice system recovered within a few years, so I'm not sure why Alois still had to fight with fraud cases? For sure he was a typical Bavarian, i.e. stubborn, and they usually don't take a court-ruling very serious.

Concerning the claim that most of what Alois fore-saw had been invented after his death: the claim is wrong, as Berndt proves in great detail in his book. On the contrary after WW2, beginning in 1947, Alois had been invited by the police and various courts to help solve murder and other criminal cases, with success. So after WW2, even courts accepted Alois' fore-seeing and seeing-through talents.…

Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Mark 79 on August 13, 2021, 10:19:48 AM
I hear from my Filipino friends that Fr. Chazal is on the road to recovery. Te Deum laudamus!
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: Matthew on August 13, 2021, 10:29:28 AM
Prayers for a full recovery for Fr. Chazal!
Title: Re: Pray for Fr. Chazal
Post by: donkath on August 13, 2021, 10:00:28 PM
Ditto!