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« on: August 17, 2010, 02:00:02 PM »
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  • I'm getting tired of some people here saying Pius X was an anti-pope. Pius X was one of the greatest Popes we have ever had. He codemned modernism, he saw the modernist changes to the Church coming.

    From Wikipedia on the encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis...

    "The Pope (Pius X) condemned Modernism, and a whole range of other evolutionary principles concerning Roman Catholic Dogma. Pius X instituted commisions to cleanse the clergy of theologians promoting Modernism and some of its (liturgical) consequences."

    "Traditionalist Catholics point to this document as evidence that pre-Vatican II Popes were highly concerned about enemies of Christianity infiltrating the human element of the Catholic Church".

    Pascendi was arguably the best encyclical written by Pius X. So why I am making this thread? To try and put an end to this junk that Pius X was an anti-pope. Furthermore, I challenge CM to reply to this thread and explain his exact stance on why he believes Pius X was an anti-pope, even though he wrote one of the greatest encyclicals of all time.

    By the way, speaking of CM, beware that on his web-site he constantly calls addresses Pius X as "Anti-Pope Pius X" and posts false information to try and "prove" that he was indeed an anti-pope.

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    « Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 03:56:05 PM »
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  • Why do you take seriously a lone and insane man who purports to be Catholic?  This is the internet where every and any kind of vicious man can air his opinions.  It is thus a virtual cesspool, being scandalized by fools reduces us to their level.  


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    « Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 04:06:15 PM »
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  • SS is doing a good work here.  Lies left unchallenged remain in effect.  As Emerentiana has pointed out, people lose their faith over things like this.  It is Catholic to try to protect them.  Since I couldn't pin the slippery dude down, I just posted my opinion of him and hoped it would work to make people cautious of him.  We all do what we can for each other.  All sorts of luck, SS.
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    « Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 04:11:20 PM »
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  • Matthew is right and CM's wild opinions on such matters are not worth any attention.  St. Pius X was THE general in the fight against Modernism. None of us would even have a clue what it is, or be able to defend ourselves against the synthesis of all heresies, if the humble, powerful, and holy Giuseppe Sarto had not left us such a wonderful legacy.  Oddly, even men like CM could not know what Modernism is, nor could the fight against it, if St. Pius X had not given us such providential weapons.
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    « Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 04:21:03 PM »
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  • "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain
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    « Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 04:24:15 PM »
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    I'm getting tired of some people here saying Pius X was an anti-pope.


    What? Are people saying that now?? I suppose it had to happen sooner or later.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 05:25:58 PM »
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  • There is also a significant faction here on this site that claims Popes Leo XIII, Pius X and additionally Cardinal Merry Del Val are fools and idiots-- not to mention Bad Popes-- because they have fallen for the deception  of the Cardinal Rampolla scam.  
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    « Reply #7 on: August 17, 2010, 05:27:51 PM »
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    Why do you take seriously a lone and insane man who purports to be Catholic?  This is the internet where every and any kind of vicious man can air his opinions.  It is thus a virtual cesspool, being scandalized by fools reduces us to their level.  


    It's not just him, several others as well, although they all seem to be associated with CM and in fact may even be CM himself. I'm just sticking up for Pius X. As much as he has been blasted on an SSPX forum there hasn't been too much defense for him. While it's probably just because people are trying to ignore CM's posts (which in many cases is the best thing to do) I just want to defend this great Pope. Besides, as long as CM is allowed to post here we need to defend our Traditional Catholic faith. One thing I learned growing up, when you or your faith is being attacked, you don't just sit there and take it, you fight back. Not that you can fight back every single time, but this is a good opportunity.


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    « Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 05:28:35 PM »
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    SS is doing a good work here.  Lies left unchallenged remain in effect.  As Emerentiana has pointed out, people lose their faith over things like this.  It is Catholic to try to protect them.  Since I couldn't pin the slippery dude down, I just posted my opinion of him and hoped it would work to make people cautious of him.  We all do what we can for each other.  All sorts of luck, SS.


    Thank you, Trinity.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 05:29:21 PM »
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    I'm getting tired of some people here saying Pius X was an anti-pope.


    What? Are people saying that now?? I suppose it had to happen sooner or later.


    People have been saying it for a while now.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 17, 2010, 05:34:29 PM »
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    Why do you take seriously a lone and insane man who purports to be Catholic?  This is the internet where every and any kind of vicious man can air his opinions.  It is thus a virtual cesspool, being scandalized by fools reduces us to their level.  


    It's not just him, several others as well, although they all seem to be associated with CM and in fact may even be CM himself. I'm just sticking up for Pius X. As much as he has been blasted on an SSPX forum there hasn't been too much defense for him. While it's probably just because people are trying to ignore CM's posts (which in many cases is the best thing to do) I just want to defend this great Pope. Besides, as long as CM is allowed to post here we need to defend our Traditional Catholic faith. One thing I learned growing up, when you or your faith is being attacked, you don't just sit there and take it, you fight back. Not that you can fight back every single time, but this is a good opportunity.



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    « Reply #11 on: August 17, 2010, 08:41:25 PM »
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  • Saint Pius X, who didst withstand and reprove all heresies, pray for us.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 18, 2010, 04:12:33 PM »
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    Oddly, even men like CM could not know what Modernism is, nor could the fight against it, if St. Pius X had not given us such providential weapons.


    I disagree.  Here's a weapon for you, by which you may know and denounce all heresies:

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    Therefore, faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God our savior, for the exaltation of the Catholic religion and for the salvation of the Christian people, with the approval of the Sacred Council, we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable.

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    « Reply #13 on: August 18, 2010, 04:13:45 PM »
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    Lies left unchallenged remain in effect.


    I have not lied.  I have posted what the man really said.  You simply disagree with the conclusion I have come to as a result.  But you are wrong to say I have lied.

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    « Reply #14 on: August 18, 2010, 04:23:13 PM »
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    Oddly, even men like CM could not know what Modernism is, nor could the fight against it, if St. Pius X had not given us such providential weapons.


    I disagree.  Here's a weapon for you, by which you may know and denounce all heresies:

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    Therefore, faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God our savior, for the exaltation of the Catholic religion and for the salvation of the Christian people, with the approval of the Sacred Council, we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable.



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