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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers => Topic started by: ill in Illinois on August 20, 2021, 03:06:18 PM

Title: Pope Pius XII
Post by: ill in Illinois on August 20, 2021, 03:06:18 PM
Just wondering what your thoughts are on Pope Pius XII. For years, all I heard about him was “He was our last great Pope!” , and of course his famous quote with part that reads “Christians one day will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them. etc.”  Yet for many years now I have felt disgust for a Pope who really started the liturgical destruction. (Or should I say, kicked into high gear). I keep wondering how one would even explain the actions, of this so called “conservative” pope. 
Title: Re: Pope Pius XII
Post by: Hermes on August 20, 2021, 03:08:38 PM
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2018/07/in-defense-of-pope-pius-xii.html?m=1 (https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2018/07/in-defense-of-pope-pius-xii.html?m=1)
Title: Re: Pope Pius XII
Post by: tdrev123 on August 20, 2021, 03:50:26 PM
UnderminingOfTheCatholicChurch.pdf (olvrc.com) (http://www.olvrc.com/reference/general/docuмents/UnderminingOfTheCatholicChurch.pdf)
Title: Re: Pope Pius XII
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on August 20, 2021, 04:14:14 PM
UnderminingOfTheCatholicChurch.pdf (olvrc.com) (http://www.olvrc.com/reference/general/docuмents/UnderminingOfTheCatholicChurch.pdf)
That book should be burned! It falsely accuses Venerable Pius IX of being a Free Mason.
Title: Re: Pope Pius XII
Post by: DigitalLogos on August 20, 2021, 04:22:20 PM
Personal opinion: he was the last true Catholic Pope, but I wouldn't call him great. He was fairly weak as a Pope and a ton of the things that sprouted during Vatican II were made by those under his watch. He should have done like St. Pius X and rooted out all Modernist heretics as soon as they reared their heads, but instead he appointed some of them to key positions that would prove favorable to the Great Apostasy that would come after his death.

That said, I believe he was a devout and pious man worthy of admiration. But, he was not what I would call an exemplar of the Papacy.
Title: Re: Pope Pius XII
Post by: songbird on August 21, 2021, 03:54:07 PM
Pope Pius XII, in my opinion was not only weak, that is where was his back bone, but I don't see him as holy.  In the book" Dignity and Duties of the Priesthood, Pius XII would have been seen as not holy.  When Our Lady begs!! for consecration and Pope Pius XII changes words from Russia to World, man!  What do you call that! Not holy and pleasing to God.