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Offline Alex117

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Please pray for my Chaldean friend
« on: October 18, 2012, 12:16:21 AM »
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  • My Chaldean friend has just joined a seminary and is on his way to the priesthood. However, he's told me that it's not at all what he expected it to be. The seminarians are allowed to stay up all night, drink, watch TV, and play video games. He currently has a ton of homework, some of which includes reading Jesus of Nazareth by Pope Benedict XVI, The Jєωeler's Shop by Pope John Paul II, and a book on managing a business. I ask that you pray for him so that he will not fall into error, but also because he is considering leaving the seminary and his vocation altogether. He has been dreaming of entering the seminary since being a small child, and he can't believe that this is what a Chaldean seminary is really like. I have never felt such pity for one individual.

    I would greatly appreciate it if you would keep him in your prayers. Thank you.


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    Please pray for my Chaldean friend
    « Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 02:03:28 AM »
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    Please pray for my Chaldean friend
    « Reply #2 on: October 19, 2012, 08:27:08 PM »
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  • Is he actually Chaldean rite?  I really hope no Eastern Catholic seminary is in such a deplorable state.

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    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Please pray for my Chaldean friend
    « Reply #3 on: October 19, 2012, 08:43:12 PM »
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    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    Please pray for my Chaldean friend
    « Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 08:49:58 PM »
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    Is he actually Chaldean rite?

    Yes. He actually tried to get confirmed as a Roman rite Catholic at one point, until he found out that one could not do so.

    From what I've heard, he has attended Chaldean masses that are done partially in English, have girl altar boys, and are generally very Novus Ordo in nature. Additionally, he says that priests coming out of Iraq are given a scant education before being ordained, and that he simply can't believe the ignorance of most of the priests he has met.

    He is hated by nearly every Chaldean priest he meets, as they view him as being prideful for praying in church or in front of statues, and for having an ardent love for our Virgin Mother. His recommendation letter was hardly a recommendation at all, and he was only accepted into the seminary at the behest of a traditional-leaning NO Church priest who thinks fondly of him and his piety.

    It appears the status of the current Chaldean Rite doesn't look any better than that of the Roman rite, I'm afraid.  :cry:


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    Please pray for my Chaldean friend
    « Reply #5 on: October 19, 2012, 10:25:51 PM »
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    Please pray for my Chaldean friend
    « Reply #6 on: October 19, 2012, 11:29:28 PM »
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    Quote from: Sigismund
    Is he actually Chaldean rite?

    Yes. He actually tried to get confirmed as a Roman rite Catholic at one point, until he found out that one could not do so.

    From what I've heard, he has attended Chaldean masses that are done partially in English, have girl altar boys, and are generally very Novus Ordo in nature. Additionally, he says that priests coming out of Iraq are given a scant education before being ordained, and that he simply can't believe the ignorance of most of the priests he has met.

    He is hated by nearly every Chaldean priest he meets, as they view him as being prideful for praying in church or in front of statues, and for having an ardent love for our Virgin Mother. His recommendation letter was hardly a recommendation at all, and he was only accepted into the seminary at the behest of a traditional-leaning NO Church priest who thinks fondly of him and his piety.

    It appears the status of the current Chaldean Rite doesn't look any better than that of the Roman rite, I'm afraid.  :cry:


    I am very, very distressed to hear that.  As I have mentioned on other threads, my wife was adopted as an infant by a Chaldean couple.  My wife's mother had converted to Catholicism from Islam, before she met her husband.  I never met them, becasue they were dead before my wife and I met, but they seem to have been remarkable people and certainly raised a wonderful daughter.  

    It is possible to change rites. I am living proof of that.  He should talk to a Latin rite priest he trusts about it (if the Latin rite is where he wants to be.  He might also consider another Eastern rite, perhaps Melkite.)
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Please pray for my Chaldean friend
    « Reply #7 on: October 19, 2012, 11:47:25 PM »
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    I am very, very distressed to hear that.  As I have mentioned on other threads, my wife was adopted as an infant by a Chaldean couple.  My wife's mother had converted to Catholicism from Islam, before she met her husband.  I never met them, becasue they were dead before my wife and I met, but they seem to have been remarkable people and certainly raised a wonderful daughter.  

    It is possible to change rites. I am living proof of that.  He should talk to a Latin rite priest he trusts about it (if the Latin rite is where he wants to be.  He might also consider another Eastern rite, perhaps Melkite.)

    Don't be distressed - my friend believes that it's just an American thing. He told me that his family back home in Iraq is very faithful, but that they frequently live in fear of Mohammedans, as some of his family has been murdered, kidnapped, or blown up in church bombings.

    However, when Chaldeans move to America, they are quick to absorb the culture and to become one with it. He says that a lot of Chaldean girls dye their eye blonde or other colors, and become your typical "look at my body" types. As for the Chaldean men, they drift towards being wannabe gangsta's (especially if they live in Detroit, which most Chaldeans from Iraq move to), or they become non-denominational Protestants.

    So, seeing as how the Chaldean people culturally turn into Americans once they move here, it only makes sense that the Chaldean rite would try to emulate the way in which the majority of American Catholics "worship". My friend is certain that if his people never would have left Iraq, they would have been better off killed as martyrs than to be turned into Protestants, gangsta's, and whores.

    Anyway, my friend tried to change rites because he thought his priests were incredibly stupid and un-Catholic, not to mention that the majority of them hate him, but now he feels that it's his purpose to become a Chaldean priest so that he can try to help restore the Chaldean rite to what it should be in America. Pray strongly that he may persevere in obtaining that goal, and that in the process of training to be a priest, he doesn't fall to the same errors that he is trying to combat.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 19, 2012, 11:49:02 PM »
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  • Chaldeans in America:


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    Please pray for my Chaldean friend
    « Reply #9 on: October 20, 2012, 05:46:22 PM »
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  • Alex,

    I wish your friend the best.

    Is the women in the lower left hand corner of the picture above, the one in blue, wearing  a religious habit of some sort?
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Please pray for my Chaldean friend
    « Reply #10 on: October 21, 2012, 12:40:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    Is the women in the lower left hand corner of the picture above, the one in blue, wearing  a religious habit of some sort?

    She might be, but I'm not sure. I sent an email to my Chaldean friend asking if he knows.


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    Please pray for my Chaldean friend
    « Reply #11 on: October 21, 2012, 06:30:35 PM »
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