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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2026, 03:44:08 AM »
Quote from: hgodwinson on February 19, 2026, 12:47:13 AM
+Thuc would have been ipso facto excommunicated for the consecrations he performed in Spain.
Wasn't he one of the few bishops that had permission from Pope Pius 12 to consecrate without asking? Or was that someone else?

Also why would it be an excommunication if the Church is in a state of crisis?
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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2026, 05:02:50 AM »
No derangement here. I just care about the seriousness of keeping the Sacraments which our Lord Jesus Christ instituted valid.

To withhold intention, like he did in Palmar, breached the foundation of trust that we have in the clergy.

We may have been able to verify the reason for him doing that if he were alive, but can't because he is dead. Therefore, a good Catholic is morally obliged to avoid.

We must not cave into the chest beating protestations of others who will scream loudly that it is ok. It is not.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2026, 05:47:35 AM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on February 19, 2026, 03:44:08 AM
Wasn't he one of the few bishops that had permission from Pope Pius 12 to consecrate without asking? Or was that someone else?

Also why would it be an excommunication if the Church is in a state of crisis?
According to this web site, it was Pope Pius XI, but I do not see the pope granting him the authority to consecrate without asking.....

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Translation of the Latin Original
"By virtue of the Plenitude of the powers of the Holy Apostolic See, we appoint as our Legate Pierre Martin Ngo Dinh Thuc, titular bishop of Saigon, whom we invest with all the necessary powers, for purposes known to us."
Given at Rome at Saint Peter's, on 15 March 1938, the seventeenth year of our pontificate. Pope Pius XI,
It goes on to say that the pope told him this privately.
"Orally, the Holy Father first enumerated in detail all the powers which he conferred, including the selection of priests to be ordained and to confer on them the episcopate without the need for them to have pontifical bulls, nor therefore to give their signatures inviting them to act accordingly on the strength of the oath."

The whole thing seems dubious to me, always has. But one thing is certain, +Thuc was a valid bishop - and as such he can indeed validly consecrate and ordain. So whether he was granted special permission or not, thanks to the crisis does not really matter. 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2026, 06:04:49 AM »
Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on February 18, 2026, 11:52:16 AM
Are there any traditional Catholics living in Alberta, who would appreciate access to a permanent traditional Latin Mass chapel? I am aware of a Thuc-ordained, well-trained traditional Catholic priest that is interested in starting a permanent mission here, if he is given proper support of course. Those interested are free to message me.
I could be mistaken but I think that @Kazimierz is from that neck of the woods, perhaps he will chime in.
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Offline WorldsAway

Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2026, 07:16:43 AM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on February 19, 2026, 05:02:50 AM
No derangement here. I just care about the seriousness of keeping the Sacraments which our Lord Jesus Christ instituted valid.

To withhold intention, like he did in Palmar, breached the foundation of trust that we have in the clergy.

We may have been able to verify the reason for him doing that if he were alive, but can't because he is dead. Therefore, a good Catholic is morally obliged to avoid.

We must not cave into the chest beating protestations of others who will scream loudly that it is ok. It is not.
+Thuc withheld intention at Palmar?? I wasn't aware of this..

Would you be able to provide evidence that proves +Thuc had a manifest contrary intention when performing the consecrations at Palmar?

Concerned Catholics everywhere would be immensely grateful 
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