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Author Topic: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada  (Read 1009 times)

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Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #35 on: Yesterday at 06:08:17 AM »
It is perplexing that the +Thuc Bishops were accused of being heretics, when the article did not name their supposed heresy (and this you did not address), and did not give any citation for when and where +Thuc declared he withheld intention. Claiming The Angelus would not have printed it without a source seems to reveal a personal attachment on your part, and not an objective reality. If they had a source, please share it with us. I agree that dogmatic sedes can be very emotional and biased.

There heretics remark is really besides the point here.

The point is you are scrambling to ascribe ill will to the angelus magazine, without good reason.

You dont want to admit that the only reason you people hate Lefebvre so much is because he didn't make sedevacantism a dogma. It just a theological opinion, and we can't make it a dogma, much less impose it on others as requiring to believe, in order to be Catholic.

Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #36 on: Yesterday at 06:30:47 AM »


I am truly looking at this objectively here, having not being either an SSPX or sede Mass attendee in 1982. And what I can see looking at both lines, is on the one hand a mentally stable Lefebvre, with a mentally ill Thuc. I hear an allegation from a credible source,(not some hobo on the street or a crazy old woman) and I think to myself "hmm , we should investigate this". Now If Thuc was alive we could approach him. But he's not. We could determine whether this was just a one off, or whether he had some long term intention in relation to the Sacraments. But the problem is that the normal assumption we make about the intention of the minister being valid is now longer the case. In the middle ages they determined all this. they determined that while the normal assumption is right intention, especially to be noted in the case of tired, or old priests, the one exception to all this is where the minister POSITIVELY said he withheld intention.You dont need a Church docuмent to tell you this. It's common sense. But sentimentalism throws common sense out the window, especially with effeminate men and women.

if you want to find the the reference, rather than burden me with 20 minutes of my time reading back through my posts, why dont you just google it. I used gemini to find it. and it was great. I think it was EWTN actually that dug it up to be fair. 


Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #37 on: Yesterday at 06:33:14 AM »
Can I also add, that anyone who has simply lived a life, whether Catholic or not, encounters a person who is fanatically trying to stop someone from investigating something, and looking at the thing objectively, it makes them suspicious. And understandably so. It's not normal that you would want to defend Thuc so virulently.

Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #38 on: Yesterday at 06:48:39 AM »
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/on-the-intention-required-in-the-minister-of-the-sacraments-10370


"For indeed, if there be any such, they are extremely rarely found, who have such malice that, while they perform the sacrament with serious exterior, they internally withhold the intention."

Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 07:24:27 AM »
As the saying goes, "Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur...except, of course, when it has to do with someone I don't like" ::)

No reasonable person would take an allegation with no proof to constitute positive doubt. However, Tom is not a reasonable person 

No letter exists = no positive doubt

Tom denies the efficacy of the Sacrament Christ instituted. Why does Tom do that?