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Author Topic: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada  (Read 3690 times)

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Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2026, 03:15:46 PM »
The Angelus Magazine reported on in in 1982. 

Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2026, 03:44:46 PM »
No derangement here. I just care about the seriousness of keeping the Sacraments which our Lord Jesus Christ instituted valid.

To withhold intention, like he did in Palmar, breached the foundation of trust that we have in the clergy.

We may have been able to verify the reason for him doing that if he were alive, but can't because he is dead. Therefore, a good Catholic is morally obliged to avoid.

We must not cave into the chest beating protestations of others who will scream loudly that it is ok. It is not.
Thank you for expressing your good will. 

Do you have an accessible copy of the Angelus Magazine report from 1982? Even if +Thuc did withhold his intention in one instance, it does not follow that he did so in every consecration he did, that would be a negative doubt. A positive doubt requires positive evidence, and this is what Pope Leo XIII teaches in Apostolicae Curae, discussing how we ought to view properly done ordinations and consecrations. 

Those in this thread may wish to watch an interview with Dr. Heller who worked with +Thuc personally and was present at his episcopal consecrations. Dr. Heller in the interview reads from his large collection of old docuмents (he recorded the relevant events regarding Archbishop Thuc at the time they occurred).

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l2qRy9wAGI Part 2 (The Original Docuмents): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9QQPqpxqRo


Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2026, 03:59:09 PM »
Thank you for expressing your good will.

Do you have an accessible copy of the Angelus Magazine report from 1982? Even if +Thuc did withhold his intention in one instance, it does not follow that he did so in every consecration he did, that would be a negative doubt. A positive doubt requires positive evidence, and this is what Pope Leo XIII teaches in Apostolicae Curae, discussing how we ought to view properly done ordinations and consecrations.

Those in this thread may wish to watch an interview with Dr. Heller who worked with +Thuc personally and was present at his episcopal consecrations. Dr. Heller in the interview reads from his large collection of old docuмents (he recorded the relevant events regarding Archbishop Thuc at the time they occurred).



I have posted it multiple times on this website. Have you genuinley missed it?

Yes, you're totally right that it might have been only the once that he withheld, which is the attitude we might go in with when interviewing him alive. But we can't assume that and the matter is a very serious one.

Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2026, 04:39:58 PM »

I have posted it multiple times on this website. Have you genuinley missed it?

Yes, you're totally right that it might have been only the once that he withheld, which is the attitude we might go in with when interviewing him alive. But we can't assume that and the matter is a very serious one.
Yes, I am quite new here, I have only seen what you posted in this thread. Where might I find it?

It is not a matter of it *might* have been only that time, that is all we are aware of (assuming for the sake of argument, your evidence of this fact is truly evidence), so in reality it was only that time. 

This is the problem with the SSPV and those with their mindset: they act on negative doubts, which is what characterizes scrupulosity. If +Thuc were alive, there would be no obligation to ask him whether he intended to consecrate or not, according to the teaching of Pope Leo XIII below. 

Apostolicae Curae:

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]The Church does not judge about the mind and intention, in so far as it is something by its nature internal; but in so far as it is manifested externally she is bound to judge concerning it. A person who has correctly and seriously used the requisite matter and form to effect and confer a sacrament is presumed for that very reason to have intended to do [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)](intendisse)[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] what the Church does. On this principle rests the doctrine that a Sacrament is truly conferred by the ministry of one who is a heretic or unbaptized, provided the Catholic rite be employed. On the other hand, if the rite be changed, with the manifest intention of introducing another rite not approved by the Church and of rejecting what the Church does, and what, by the institution of Christ, belongs to the nature of the Sacrament, then it is clear that not only is the necessary intention wanting to the Sacrament, but that the intention is adverse to and destructive of the Sacrament.[/color]


Re: Permanent Chapel in Alberta, Canada
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2026, 05:09:43 PM »
Yes this applies in most cases. Particularly where the faithful might have silly negative doubts. It does not apply in the extremely rare cases where the cleric withholds intention. And that rare case has been pronounced also by the Church as being one of the times where we we must not accept the validity.