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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2024, 05:50:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 27, 2024, 05:37:27 PM
    :facepalm:  The number of FULL solar eclipses that have occurred over the US is like 5.  In 250+ years, only 5.  It's not nothing.

    Can you explain what you mean by a “FULL solar eclipse”?
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #76 on: March 27, 2024, 05:56:27 PM »
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    • Remember his wonderful works, which he hath done: his signs, and the judgments of his mouth.  (Chronicles 16:12)

    And thou shewedst signs and wonders upon Pharao, and upon all his servants, and upon the people of his land: for thou knewest that they dealt proudly against them: and thou madest thyself a name, as it is at this day.  (Nehemiah 9:10)

    And my nation is Israel, who cried to the Lord, and the Lord saved his people: and he delivered us from all evils, and hath wrought great signs and wonders among the nations: (Esther 9:10)

    Thus saith the Lord: Learn not according to the ways of the Gentiles: and be not afraid of the signs of heaven, which the heathens fear:  (Jeremiah 10:2)

    The most high God hath wrought signs and wonders toward me. It hath seemed good to me therefore to publish (Daniel 3:99)

    He is the deliverer, and saviour, doing signs and wonders in heaven, and in earth: who hath delivered Daniel out of the lions' den.  (Daniel 6:27)

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    And there shall be great earthquakes in divers places, and pestilences, and famines, and terrors from heaven; and there shall be great signs.  (Luke 21:11)

    And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.  (Apocalypse 12:1-2)
     
    And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems (Apocalypse 12:3)
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #77 on: March 27, 2024, 06:07:30 PM »
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    Can you explain what you mean by a “FULL solar eclipse”?
    A total solar eclipse which blocks 100% of the sun (as opposed to an annual eclipse, wherein the sun's "ring of fire" is still visible), and which eclipse path covers both ends the continental US.
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #78 on: March 27, 2024, 06:26:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 27, 2024, 05:37:27 PM
    Mmmm...Let's see:

    1.  The Egyptian plagues during Moses' time when the river ran red and also the lightning/hail, was most probably a full solar eclipse, accompanied by a comet.
    2.  Josuah's prayer for God to extend the day and halt the setting of the sun...an event which astronomers still cannot explain and which still affects our calendar today.
    3.  Christ's birth was preceded by a unique-in-all-of-history astrological event.  Both an alignment of planets foretold a "great" king's birth and also the 'star of bethlehem' was unique and never seen before/again.
    4.  Christ's death on the cross was preceded by 3 hours of "darkness over the whole land" and earthquakes (i.e. full solar eclipse and possible earthquake-causing-comet)
    5.  Our Lady of Fatima's 'miracle of the sun' was a unique sun activity event.
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    None of these examples are relevant because they are all miraculous events. Your #1 was not a comet, but a miraculous event. It is rationalistic to explain the ten plagues of Egypt by natural causes.

    All the other events you list are miraculous. I think you missed the point. What is happening on April 8th is a natural event, the result of the normal movement of all these heavenly bodies. So, my point still stands, when has the natural course of the heavenly bodies been a presage for anything?
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #79 on: March 27, 2024, 06:36:15 PM »
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    None of these examples are relevant because they are all miraculous events.
    God can/does use natural things to produce miracles.  Oftentimes, the miracle is not in the event, but in the timing/specificity of the event.

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    Your #1 was not a comet, but a miraculous event.
    No, there's lots of natural explanations for the 10 plagues of Egypt.  The miracle is in the timing...that they all happened, one after another, exactly as Moses prophecized.  But the events themselves have a natural explanation.

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    It is rationalistic to explain the ten plagues of Egypt by natural causes.
    No it's not.

    The Fatima "miracle of the sun" was a natural, solar event, even though it was unique in all of history.  The sun didn't do anything UNordinary (i.e. unnatural), just OUT of the ordinary (i.e. out of solar rhythm).  The miracle is that an ordinary event (i.e. solar flares) happened EXACTLY when Our Lady said they would.
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #80 on: March 27, 2024, 06:42:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 27, 2024, 06:36:15 PM
    God can/does use natural things to produce miracles.  Oftentimes, the miracle is not in the event, but in the timing/specificity of the event.
    No, there's lots of natural explanations for the 10 plagues of Egypt.  The miracle is in the timing...that they all happened, one after another, exactly as Moses prophecized.  But the events themselves have a natural explanation.
    No it's not.

    The Fatima "miracle of the sun" was a natural, solar event, even though it was unique in all of history.  The sun didn't do anything UNordinary (i.e. unnatural), just OUT of the ordinary (i.e. out of solar rhythm).  The miracle is that an ordinary event (i.e. solar flares) happened EXACTLY when Our Lady said they would.

    I can't say that Fatima wasn't some sort of natural event --- happening at the exact day and time the children said for everyone to be there, that would be the "miraculous" part --- but I've never heard this explanation before.

    How would solar flares make the sun appear to dance and move randomly in the sky?  With hot air blasts that dried everyone's clothes?
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #81 on: March 27, 2024, 06:51:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on March 27, 2024, 06:42:20 PM
    I can't say that Fatima wasn't some sort of natural event --- happening at the exact day and time the children said for everyone to be there, that would be the "miraculous" part --- but I've never heard this explanation before.

    How would solar flares make the sun appear to dance and move randomly in the sky?  With hot air blasts that dried everyone's clothes?
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    Of course the event at Fatima was not a natural event. If it were, something like that would happen on a regular basis around the world. And it would be visible everywhere the sunlight is visible, which obviously was not the case for the Miracle of Fatima.

    And Pax admits that the "timing" of these events is miraculous, which is an admission that they were miraculous events. And they aren't natural events, anyway. The star at the birth of Christ was a miraculous event. This is the common teaching of the Fathers.
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #82 on: March 27, 2024, 06:55:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 27, 2024, 06:07:30 PM
    A total solar eclipse which blocks 100% of the sun (as opposed to an annual eclipse, wherein the sun's "ring of fire" is still visible), and which eclipse path covers both ends the continental US.
    What do you mean by “both ends”? From the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean? From Canada to Mexico?
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #83 on: March 27, 2024, 07:06:38 PM »
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    And Pax admits that the "timing" of these events is miraculous,...The star at the birth of Christ was a miraculous event.
    This is all semantics.

    An unnatural, miraculous event would be a dog speaking human language.  A natural, miraculous event would be a dog showing up out of nowhere to protect St Don Bosco.

    Same thing with Moses and tapping the rock...it is not unnatural for water to spring forth from a rock.  But it's miraculous for it to happen when God said it would.

    I'm not minimizing God's power, nor His miraculous doings...I'm just saying that He often uses NATURAL events in a miraculous way.  In hindsight, scientists study such events and find that they are not unnatural (i.e. against the nature of the sun, or a dog) but the timing is definitely miraculous.

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    Of course the event at Fatima was not a natural event. If it were, something like that would happen on a regular basis around the world.
    Natural does not necessarily mean 'regular'; it means it's not against nature.  Natural means it's within the nature of the object for something to happen.
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #84 on: March 27, 2024, 11:13:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on March 27, 2024, 06:42:20 PM
    I can't say that Fatima wasn't some sort of natural event...

    Utter nonsense, offensive to pious ears.
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #85 on: March 27, 2024, 11:15:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 27, 2024, 06:36:15 PM
    The Fatima "miracle of the sun" was a natural, solar event, even though it was unique in all of history.  The sun didn't do anything UNordinary (i.e. unnatural), just OUT of the ordinary (i.e. out of solar rhythm).  The miracle is that an ordinary event (i.e. solar flares) happened EXACTLY when Our Lady said they would.

    Utter nonsense, offensive to pious ears.
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #86 on: March 27, 2024, 11:18:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 27, 2024, 03:15:36 PM
    With regard to Salem, 15/32 being within the swath of the eclipse seems like some pretty high odds (given the relatively narrow swath).

    Salem was a more notable part of the 2017 eclipse, but Bobby Sun's half-informed take is clearly not thorough enough to bother about.
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #87 on: March 28, 2024, 05:08:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 18, 2024, 10:27:11 AM
    So, another "coincidence" just occurred to me.  There's also going to be a lunar eclipse on ... March 25.

    So a lunar eclipse on the ordinary Feast of the Annunciation, and a solar eclipse on the transferred-to date this year.

    Sometimes there's an analogy made between Our Lord being like the sun and Our Lady like the moon (no, I'm not a sun-worshipper).

    In any case, one could almost say that the Feast of the Annunciation (lunar eclipse) is giving way to April 8th (solar eclipse), while the Feast of the Annunciation is giving way to Our Lord's Passion.

    Could that symbolize Our Lady giving way to Our Lord?  If you recall, Our Lady often spoke about how she's staying Our Lord's justice.  Is this a sign that she's giving way and that Our Lord's justice is about to strike the earth?

    Of course, I believe this so-called "penumbral" eclipse will result in a blood-red moon, but perhaps that's just during a regular eclipse.
    very interesting...perhaps you are correct. I really believe we are on the verge of the chastisement.
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #88 on: March 28, 2024, 06:57:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 27, 2024, 06:36:15 PM

    The Fatima "miracle of the sun" was a natural, solar event, even though it was unique in all of history.  The sun didn't do anything UNordinary (i.e. unnatural), just OUT of the ordinary (i.e. out of solar rhythm).  The miracle is that an ordinary event (i.e. solar flares) happened EXACTLY when Our Lady said they would.
    I would counter that the "out of the ordinary" event of moving in a zig-ag pattern "dancing", moving toward the earth as if was going to crash into it, drying up the soaked ground and all the soaked clothes of the 70K plus people in attendance in that short of a time span, which would require and intense amount of heat that everyone would have been incinerated: this is beyond the natural abilities of the sun to perform on its own. Thus, the event was more than just a solar flare.
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #89 on: March 28, 2024, 07:10:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 27, 2024, 06:36:15 PM
    God can/does use natural things to produce miracles.  Oftentimes, the miracle is not in the event, but in the timing/specificity of the event.

    No, there's lots of natural explanations for the 10 plagues of Egypt.  The miracle is in the timing...that they all happened, one after another, exactly as Moses prophesized.  But the events themselves have a natural explanation.

    No it's not.

    The Fatima "miracle of the sun" was a natural, solar event, even though it was unique in all of history.  The sun didn't do anything UNordinary (i.e. unnatural), just OUT of the ordinary (i.e. out of solar rhythm).  The miracle is that an ordinary event (i.e. solar flares) happened EXACTLY when Our Lady said they would.
    What does the Church say about these miracles?  Does it focus on the timing?  I don't think so.  I'm fairly certain that the events themselves are considered miracles by the Church, not the timing.
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