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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2024, 10:08:00 AM »
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  • I wonder how researchers so accurately predict the path of totality since they assume that the Earth is a globe? :laugh1:

    You seem to keep missing this point, so I'll try again.  You can do the math to calculate the movement based on any coordinate system.  Even Einstein admitted this.  People were predicting and calculating eclipses (their paths) long before the modern cosmology was put in place, when people claimed initially that the sun was 1 million miles from earth, or 5 million, or the 10 other guesstimates they had before they settled on the current guess.  None of the relative positioning matters to be able to do the math based on observations.


    :jester:

    You still haven't explained (and never will) why independent photographers have regularly taken long-distance photographs of objects that should be hidden by many miles of putative curvature.


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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #16 on: March 22, 2024, 10:12:33 AM »
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  • How can scientists accomplish anything while believing something so fundamentally wrong as "something can come from nothing" molecules-to-man Big Bang evolution?

    Remember, scientists, even in ancient times, have accurately predicted eclipses and their paths of totality and they ALL used the assumption that the Earth is a globe (not snow globe).

    It is *impossible* to make these predictions using a FE model.
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #17 on: March 22, 2024, 10:13:38 AM »
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  • Remember, scientists, even in ancient times, have accurately predicted eclipses and their paths of totality and they ALL used the assumption that the Earth is a globe (not snow globe).

    It is *impossible* to make these predictions using a FE model.

    Garbage.  They did not ALL assume the earth was a globe, and in fact they had no clue about how far the sun and moon were from the earth.  None of that matters.  You can work the math either way.

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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #18 on: March 22, 2024, 10:19:29 AM »
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  • If you take this Mercator view of the path and bend it more into the FE/Gleasons model, or even on a globe, it's basically a straight line.



    Of course, in the Northern Hemisphere, it matters nothing whether the curve is globular or a flat curve, since the amount of curvature across a 2 day plane would be very similar.

    You'd have to look at Southern Hemisphere eclipses to see which model makes more sense.

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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #19 on: March 22, 2024, 10:28:00 AM »
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  • You seem to keep missing this point, so I'll try again.  You can do the math to calculate the movement based on any coordinate system.  Even Einstein admitted this.  People were predicting and calculating eclipses (their paths) long before the modern cosmology was put in place, when people claimed initially that the sun was 1 million miles from earth, or 5 million, or the 10 other guesstimates they had before they settled on the current guess.  None of the relative positioning matters to be able to do the math based on observations.


    :jester:

    You still haven't explained (and never will) why independent photographers have regularly taken long-distance photographs of objects that should be hidden by many miles of putative curvature.


    You do realize that what you wrote here is fluff and nonsense?

    Repeat after me: it is absolutely impossible to predict the path of totality using a FE model.


    Confirmation bias! :laugh1:

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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #20 on: March 22, 2024, 10:28:30 AM »
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  • If you take this Mercator view of the path and bend it more into the FE/Gleasons model, or even on a globe, it's basically a straight line.



    Of course, in the Northern Hemisphere, it matters nothing whether the curve is globular or a flat curve, since the amount of curvature across a 2 day plane would be very similar.

    You'd have to look at Southern Hemisphere eclipses to see which model makes more sense.


    You aren’t serious are you?

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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #21 on: March 22, 2024, 10:30:02 AM »
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  • Repeat after me: it is absolutely impossible to predict the path of totality using a FE model.

    Confirmation bias! :laugh1:

    You just exposed yourself to be both biased and an ignoramus.  It was the Babylonians who first developed the math to predict eclipses and their paths, and they had a Flat Earth cosmology.

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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #22 on: March 22, 2024, 12:29:40 PM »
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  • You just exposed yourself to be both biased and an ignoramus.  It was the Babylonians who first developed the math to predict eclipses and their paths, and they had a Flat Earth cosmology.

    You nor any of your followers can’t even give a remotely plausible explanation on how the Sun rises and sets with a FE, and you want people to believe that you can predict eclipses and their paths! :jester:

    That is truly rich!
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #23 on: March 22, 2024, 01:48:06 PM »
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    Remember, scientists, even in ancient times, have accurately predicted eclipses and their paths of totality and they ALL used the assumption that the Earth is a globe (not snow globe).

    It is *impossible* to make these predictions using a FE model.
    :confused:  Not true at all.

    The modern globe theory originates with the Greeks, and Pythagorus, etc, who worshipped the sun and all of the same freemasonic imagery.  This was 500 BC-ish.  The Greeks were pedos, pagans, and tried to eradicate the Israelites religion, which only survived due to the Maccabees. 

    The Egyptian pyramids, which predate the Greeks by 1,000s of years, accurately line up with the constellations and planets.  There's no evidence the Egyptians believed in heliocentrism or a globe earth.  And there's all kinds of evidence they believed in a global flood (i.e. Noah) and the "waters from the deep" and the "firmament" which caused such.

    And, yes, *some* periods of Egyptians worshipped the sun-god, but this was in the later stages of their civilization (i.e. the decay period).  The pyramids were built during their early periods of advanced civilization (you won't hear that from the anti-catholic historians/archeologists), and some say represent the Trinity and line up with the constellations which foretold the coming Savior.  The early periods of their civilization they were not pluralistic in theology but mono-theistic, most likely this was when Holy Joseph of the Old Testament was in charge and gave them a Godly culture.

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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #24 on: March 22, 2024, 02:16:41 PM »
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  • :confused:  Not true at all.

    The modern globe theory originates with the Greeks, and Pythagorus, etc, who worshipped the sun and all of the same freemasonic imagery.  This was 500 BC-ish.  The Greeks were pedos, pagans, and tried to eradicate the Israelites religion, which only survived due to the Maccabees. 

    The Egyptian pyramids, which predate the Greeks by 1,000s of years, accurately line up with the constellations and planets.  There's no evidence the Egyptians believed in heliocentrism or a globe earth.  And there's all kinds of evidence they believed in a global flood (i.e. Noah) and the "waters from the deep" and the "firmament" which caused such.

    And, yes, *some* periods of Egyptians worshipped the sun-god, but this was in the later stages of their civilization (i.e. the decay period).  The pyramids were built during their early periods of advanced civilization (you won't hear that from the anti-catholic historians/archeologists), and some say represent the Trinity and line up with the constellations which foretold the coming Savior.  The early periods of their civilization they were not pluralistic in theology but mono-theistic, most likely this was when Holy Joseph of the Old Testament was in charge and gave them a Godly culture.


    Do you really believe that what you wrote here is in any sense an argument against what I stated?

    Give a single FE model, snow globe or otherwise, that can accurately predict the eclipse and it’s path that is going to occur on April 8th. 
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #25 on: March 22, 2024, 02:40:12 PM »
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  • Any situation where you have repeating, aka periodic, movements, they can be calculated mathematically.  In the case of eclipses you have two sets of periodic movements that are independent to one another, 1) that of the sun and 2) that of the moon.  When those periodic movements intersect is when you get eclipses.  It doesn't matter whether the moon is 263,00 miles away and the sun is 93.000,000 miles away or whether you don't know the distances or whether you had them "wrong", such as when it the distance of the sun has been revised at least a dozen times, or when first they claimed that the orbit of the earth around the sun was a perfect circle and then changed it to elliptical.  None of that matters, as long as there's repetition and a consistent repetition over time, they can be calculated.

    Babylonians, who had a Flat Earth cosmology, were the first to predict eclipses using the Saros cycle, which can then be extrapolated to different places on earth to get the "path" of the eclipse as well.  That's probably why the ancients had these solar observatories everywhere, things like Stonehenge, the pyramids, all kinds of megalithic strucutres, which were all solar/lunar observatories.

    Being able to mathematically predict eclipses and their paths has absolutely nothing to do with the physical shape and dimensions of the universe, as the modern dimensions are relatively recent.  Early Greeks had it at 1 million miles away, then it became 5, then it was 20, then 50, then 100, and finally settled on 93, to which was added an elliptical dimension so that it now allegedly varies between 91.4 and 94.5.  And yet throughout all this, they continued to accurately predict eclipses.  Why?  Because of what I wrote above.  With repeating cycles of movement, i.e. periodicity, with the moon and the sun, you can do the math.  Babylonians came up with the Saros cycle, which involves some extremely complex math, and this was used to accurately predict eclipses until the most modern times.


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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #26 on: March 22, 2024, 02:45:00 PM »
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  • You nor any of your followers can’t even give a remotely plausible explanation on how the Sun rises and sets with a FE, and you want people to believe that you can predict eclipses and their paths! :jester:

    That is truly rich!

    Ah, here you go with this "followers" crap again.  Nothing but strings of ad hominems and ridicule.

    This response, and all your responses on this thread demonstrate your full intellectual capacity when it comes to thinking about this subject, or, rather, refusing to think about it.

    Not only has the rising and the setting of the sun been repeatedly explained by Flat Earthers, but if I knew the mathematical formula of the Saros cycle, I could in fact predict eclipses.  I just don't personally know it.  But it was used until relatively recent times to predict eclipses ... by people that do know the formula.

    Simply Google the Babylonians and the Saros cycle.  Babylonians had an FE cosmology.

    But I've mentioned this several times to have you simply ignore it or respond with :jester:.  Why?  Because it's all you've got.

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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #27 on: March 22, 2024, 02:52:43 PM »
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  • https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2017-08-21/ty-article/how-ancient-babylonians-could-have-predicted-the-2017-eclipse/0000017f-e22d-d38f-a57f-e67f30ac0000

    ... though a bit dated to the 2017 eclipse, you could say the same thing about 2024.

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    How Ancient Babylonians Could Have Predicted the 2017 Eclipse

    Though they believed the disappearing sun was a sign of divine wrath, Babylonians were already calculating the probability of eclipses 4,000 years ago

    Ancient Babylonians living almost 4,000 years ago could have predicted Monday's total solar eclipse.

    In fact the ancient Babylonians were the fathers of modern astronomy. They could track and predict the relative movements of the sun and moon, and even those of the Solar System planets that they recognized, Venus and Mercury.

    Absent computer technology, they did it the old-fashioned way: by keeping records over generations, and noticing patterns. And doing math. Cuneiform tablets found in Babylonia and Uruk show they could predict the position of celestial bodies using advanced geometric techniques that westerners had thought were invented in 14th-century Europe.


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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #28 on: March 22, 2024, 03:12:12 PM »
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  • Ah, here you go with this "followers" crap again.  Nothing but strings of ad hominems and ridicule.




    What a hypocrite! Apparently you don’t even understand what an ad hominem is. :facepalm:

    You just exposed yourself to be both biased and an ignoramus”….. Ladislaus 
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    Re: Our Lady and the Solar Eclipse April 8th
    « Reply #29 on: March 22, 2024, 03:31:05 PM »
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  • Does anyone have an opinion concerning Saint Albert the Great and his mathematical calculation of a spherical earth?
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