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Order of Taking the Discipline
« on: September 16, 2011, 05:14:39 PM »
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  • Order of Taking the Discipline


    In the Calced Carmelite Ritual (Tit. IX, cap. v., no. 7)[1], there is to be found the most beautiful variant of the Order of Taking the Discipline, a penitential rite wherein the Monks whipped themselves whilst praying some Psalms in penance for their sins. This practice was very widespread amongst our Medieval forefathers, and it was taken up particularly during Lent and Passiontide.

    Advisory notice: Do not attempt to take up such a practice without the counsel and permission of your spiritual director, and for minors this is expressly forbidden unless you have the consent of both your parents and that of your Father Confessor. This practice can be very injurious to one's physical health, and it can lead to great spiritual delusions and a ruinous pride if it is undertaken under the impulse of self-love and is unaccompanied by other exercises of exterior and, above all, interior mortification. I mean, if you can take the discipline unto the shedding of blood and yet answer rebukes with sharp and bitter words or satiate the palate with all sorts of deliciousness, then there is a serious spiritual malady there.


    Here follows a loose translation of the rubrics for this rite as found in the Carmelite Ritual.

    Note how the prayers and the rubrics lend themselves to metaphorical symbolism that illustrates the great place that self-abnegation and penance have in the interior life. In the Carmelite Rite, there is the explicit elucidation upon two fundamental realities: 1) the necessity of the patronage and tutelage of Blessed Mary ever Virgin in the spiritual life, and particularly in the life of penance and prayer; and 2) how the sacred Passion of Our Lord is the ultimate impulse towards penance and self-abnegation: by imitating the virtues He heroically exemplified during the Passion, and by doing so for the love of such a good God Who suffered for us so many torments.

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    1. At the competent hour according to the custom of whatever Provence, with the Brothers congregated in choir, or in the capitular choir, and with the Crucifix placed amidst lighted candles, the Litanies of Blessed Mary the Virgin are said.

    Then the Hebdomadary says:

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    R. Pray for us, O holy Mother of God.
    V. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

    Let us pray.

    Thy grace, we pray, O Lord, pour forth upon our souls: that [we] who, with the Angel announcing, have known the incarnation of Christ Thy Son; by His Passion and Cross, be led unto the glory of resurrection. Through the same Christ our Lord. R. Amen.


    2. Then, having said the Antiphon Veni Sancte Spiritus, etc., with the Versicle and Prayer, meditation is made until at the sign of the Superior; meanwhile all the lights are extinguished. The Prior, or, him absent, the Hebdomadary makes the general Confession, saying Confiteor, etc. The Brothers say Misereatur, etc. Confiteor, etc. and the Prior or the Hebdomadary Misereatur, etc. Indulgentiam, etc. and then he says

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    My brethen, do ye take hold of the disciple, lest the Lord be angered, and ye perish from the just way.


    3. And all make the discipline reciting Psalm 50 Miserere with Gloria Patri and Psalm 129 De profundis also with Gloria Patri. Which having finished, they shall pause until the signal of the Superior, and then the Canticle Nunc dimittis is chanted and the lights are kindled.

    4. Then all the Brothers, from the greater to the lesser, come forth to kiss the Crucifix, and amidst all this the Hymn Vexilla Regis prodeunt is chanted.

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    R. They have given gall for my meat.
    V. And in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink. [Ps. lxviii., 22]

    Let us pray.

    Gaze, we pray, O Lord, upon this Thy congregation, for whom our Lord Jesus Christ did not hesitate to be deivered over unto the hands of the wicked, and to ascend upon the Cross unto torment. Who liveth and reigneth with Thee throughout all ages of ages. R. Amen.


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    [1] Rituale Ordinis Fratrum Beatissimæ Virginis Mariæ de Monte Carmelo juxta Jerosolymitanæ Ecclesiæ antiquam consuetudinem recognitum atque ad normam Codicis Juris Canonici et Constitutionum Ordinis accommodatum; Reverendissimi Patris Kiliani Lynch totius Ordinis Prioris Generalis jussu editum. [The Ritual of the Friars of the Order of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary of Mount Carmel according to the Ancient Custom of the Church of Jerusalem; and Revised according to the Norm of the Code of Canon Law and Adapted to the Constitutions of the Order; Published by Order of the Most Reverend Father Kilian Lynch, Prior-General of the Entire Order] (Romæ: Typis Polyglottis Vaticanis, 1952).
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    « Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 05:27:33 PM »
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  • The Litanies of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the chanting of which constitutes the first part of the above-mentioned rite, differ a bit in the Carmelite Rite by reason of the following additions:

    1) Mater, Decor Carmeli, ora pro nobis. "Mother, beauty of Carmel, pray for us."

    2) Virgo, flos Carmeli, ora pro nobis. "Virgin, flower of Carmel, pray for us."

    3) Patrona Carmelitarum, ora pro nobis. "Patroness of Carmelites, pray for us."

    4) Spes omnium Carmelitarum, ora pro nobis. "Hope of all Carmelites, pray for us."
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    « Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 06:29:49 PM »
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  • Fascinating, as always.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #3 on: September 17, 2011, 01:02:14 AM »
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  • Thank you so much for this!

    But I have to add: The using of the discipline was not only widespread during the Middle Ages (though maybe especially common), but a ordinary form of penance and mortification till the times of the Council.
    If you are a theologian, you truly pray, and if you truly pray, you are a theologian. - Evagrius Ponticus

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    « Reply #4 on: September 17, 2011, 01:09:01 AM »
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  • Quote from: Pyrrhos
    The using of the discipline was not only widespread during the Middle Ages (though maybe especially common), but a ordinary form of penance and mortification till the times of the Council.


    Which of the Councils?

    I know that this was one of the ways St. Jean Marie Vianney was enabled to convert and sanctify his Parish. Perhaps the present-day clergy ought to imitate his example in this regard...

    I was warned by my Father Confessor to eschew such practices because I am too prone to vainglory, but I still am allowed to esteem the beauty and significance of these ancient rites.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 17, 2011, 01:30:08 AM »
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  • I mean the Second Vatican Council.

    While it is true that this kind of mortification is not suited for some types, I think it is a great mistake to see it entirely as an "antiquated and cruel practice".
    Our Christian forefathers, and we just need to look a few decades back in time, had much more to suffer, many inconveniences and involuntary mortifications. But nowadays, in a world drenched by softness, comfort, decadence and ever present temptations...would it not be even more suitable to have recourse to the discipline?
    If you are a theologian, you truly pray, and if you truly pray, you are a theologian. - Evagrius Ponticus

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    « Reply #6 on: September 17, 2011, 01:46:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: Pyrrhos
    I mean the Second Vatican Council.


    Oh, I don't regard it as a "Council" but that is a subject which ought to be discussed in another sub-forum...

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    But nowadays, in a world drenched by softness, comfort, decadence and ever present temptations...would it not be even more suitable to have recourse to the discipline?


    This is true. However, the effeminacy and cultural perversion that you have mentioned have deteriorated the true notion of penance and mortification to the point where those practices such as the discipline, the cilice, etc., ought to be adopted until the individual has the correct notion of interior mortification, and has given himself over to the earnest practice thereof.

    It would be foolhardy and rash to take the discipline or put on the cilice if one has failed in mortifying little egotistical impulses that are often very subtle and hidden, and are even to be found in exterior practices of piety in a great number of cases. This is why the active and passive purification of the senses is necessary in order to attain to that self-detachment that is requisite to enter unto the higher apices of the interior life, where charity is thoroughly purified of self.

    The discipline ought to be reserved for those souls who understand well and practice the teachings of such great masters as St. Louis Marie de Montfort regarding the mystery of the Holy Cross and our ineluctable obligation to carry it after the footsteps of Our Lord. Even then, the counsel and consent of one's Spiritual Director is necessary in order to safeguard the practice from spiritual vainglory (since it would then be done under docility and obedience).
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    « Reply #7 on: September 17, 2011, 01:54:36 AM »
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  • Of course, you are completely right.

    I am just afraid that most confessors in this day and age are rather hostile to these methods, as it seems to me that they are hardly in use anymore.
    But it is also true that the discipline is probably not the best choice for many states in life, but more so for those who want to consecrate themselves to Our Lord in a special way.


    Whether the Council has to be seen as such I am not competent to judge. It would seem to me that it was a General Council in its first part, but that is just my private opinion.
    If you are a theologian, you truly pray, and if you truly pray, you are a theologian. - Evagrius Ponticus


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    « Reply #8 on: September 17, 2011, 02:49:18 AM »
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  • No thread hijacking intended, but just a small hint to Pyrrhos: Do you know the famous visionary poem named Lied der Linde ?

    Amongst many other things it says that there will be a glorious 21st Council in the (near) future which will enlighten the world. Please see paragraph starting with "Preis dem einundzwanzigsten Konzil ..." in the linked Lied of the Linde.

    After having studied such catholic visions (Irlmaier et al) carefully, I think this Linde poem could come true in every aspect. In case it would come true, it also means that the Vaticanum II which is also numbered the 21st "council" will be erased completely.

    Also good Bishops like Williamson, Tissier de Mallerais and many priests think that the Vaticanum II will be erased.
    Personally I say: Of course, of course! :-)