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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers => Topic started by: spouse of Jesus on May 17, 2009, 10:56:39 PM
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The ugly temptations have taken a spiritual form. I was tempted griviously, but couldnot pray to Jesus or Mary as the mere thought of them gave rise to impure thoughts. As a result I succombed to sinful imaginations.
Why, Why should I differ from milions others in this point?
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Did you want those sinful imaginations?
If images were merely presented to your imagination, but they disgusted you and you would rather they not be there, they could be placed there by the devil.
You might have experienced only a temptation, and not a sin.
The devil, being a pure spirit (as opposed to body and soul, like a human being), is master of the physical universe. He understands science, physics, and other earthly sciences implicitly.
He can only do things in the physical realm -- such as try to stimulate your emotions or passions, present things to your imagination (which is part of the physical realm -- even dogs dream, for instance)
What the devil CAN'T do is make you choose evil, or sin. He can't touch
A) your intellect, or
B) your free will.
Those are the faculties of your soul.
Matthew
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Every soul is imparted during birth with a national soul, as Joseph de Maistre put it. This national soul will provide that particular person with strengths and weaknesses in terms of his getting to Heaven. You're life experiences also have a part. Is there anything, pardon me, in your past that would lead you to have impure thoughts about Jesus and Mary?
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Did you want those sinful imaginations?
If images were merely presented to your imagination, but they disgusted you and you would rather they not be there, they could be placed there by the devil.
You might have experienced only a temptation, and not a sin.
The devil, being a pure spirit (as opposed to body and soul, like a human being), is master of the physical universe. He understands science, physics, and other earthly sciences implicitly.
He can only do things in the physical realm -- such as try to stimulate your emotions or passions, present things to your imagination (which is part of the physical realm -- even dogs dream, for instance)
What the devil CAN'T do is make you choose evil, or sin. He can't touch
A) your intellect, or
B) your free will.
Those are the faculties of your soul.
Matthew
True. At times thoughts so disgustingly vile pop into my mind, and I am certain that it is demonic in its origin.
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In my past, unfortunately yes. I used to feel warmth in my chest when thinking about Jesus and Mary, then I felt lethargic and would lose my appetite for some time. A Protestant man who was the favorite of both the angelican bishop and our catholic Mnsgnor, told me that it was fires of Holy Ghost, he encoureged me, and told me that I was a saint.
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Is there a relationship between this and your other (http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=7387&z=3)tread?
Wanting to know every iota of all things Catholic is mostly just curiousity. Studying things like Scripture and other tried and true spiritual works should keep one plenty busy so as to avoid that which might not be 100% Catholic.
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In my past, unfortunately yes. I used to feel warmth in my chest when thinking about Jesus and Mary, then I felt lethargic and would lose my appetite for some time. A Protestant man who was the favorite of both the angelican bishop and our catholic Mnsgnor, told me that it was fires of Holy Ghost, he encoureged me, and told me that I was a saint.
That is most likely just an expression to encourage you.
Well then, since you say that you have been - dare I say traumatized- in your past, I would say that you need to come to terms with that. You must get baptized, then go to Confession whenever possible. Remember, that outside the church, you are still an infidel.
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Joseph de Maistre
Who is this? I've not heard of him.
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He was a French Catholic at the time of the Revolution who joined the freemasons( as did more than a few). He was later set straight by the Jesuits and wrote his famous The Pope-- of which several copies are avail at addall.
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Joseph de Maistre
Who is this? I've not heard of him.
A brilliant philosopher. I recommend all his works:
http://maistre.ath.cx:8000/
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Spouse we are praying for you.
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Shameful update :cry: :
This week was a real hell for me. I started to pull out my hair and now I look bad because of hairless spots in my head. I was at the brink of breaking my vows. I was so silly and babyish. :really-mad2: I even consented to some blasphemous thoughts. All of this was because those temptations really made me angry and streesful. I was so hungry inside that I was willing to fill myself with hell fire rather than endure a vaccuм inside me. Jesus was not there to satisfy the yearning of my soul.
ChantCd said:
Did you want those sinful imaginations?
I don't want them. I HATE them. But we are obliged to avoid anything that makes us temptetd. They are not just thoughts they are impure feelings (feeling like those who are watching **** ) So I think I must avoid thinking about Christ.
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Consult your confessor or another priest you trust.
Robert
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Something surprising happened. I decided to give a thought to the possibility of being called to matrimony. I was thinking about it, when I realized that my weird temptations were gone, and gave their way to normal feelings. It may be a sign but one can interprete it in two different ways:
1- God is telling me that consecrated life is not for me.
2- satan is trying to keep me from living a celibate vocation by tempting me in this horrible way whenever I consider celibacy.
And yes Materdominici, my two posts were related. But I was ashamed to admit it. Sorry.
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Spouse, may I ask how old you are? These kinds of temptations can come very strongly on women at certain times. It is never a sin to be tempted, and since you are upset, it seems clear to me that you are not indulging the temptation. It is in giving in that temptation becomes sin and if that happens, you can confess and be forgiven.
If no priest is available, saying the Act of Contrition sincerely while resolving to confess to a priest at the first opportunity is certainly all you could do and God recognizes that, and he loves us.
I do believe it is a Satanic oppression and you do have the same protection as a baptized Catholic because I remmeber you telling us in another thread how you have asked for baptism and been refused because of the priest's fear of the Muslim laws against baptizing adults. Don't listen to the fanatics who claim there is no "Baptism of Desire", a case like yours is most certainly the classic case in which God does grant the same grace to your soul, especially if you continue to seek Baptism.
Our Blessed Virgin Mother is very very real and nearby with her cloak of protection, too. I do believe I would have fallen away if I had not completed Novenas to her. She certainly understands our weaknesses as women and can comfort you and protect you from those temptations.
The images you describe seem to me to be very similar to a lot of the blasphemous hollywood stuff that permeates American culture. Even just a glimpse of them can enter the subconscious and be brought up by Satan when he wants to torment a saintly soul.
Spouse, I keep you in my Rosary prayers.
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She doesn't need baptism of desire, and that is not something to count on as if it's a sure thing. Part of qualifying for baptism of desire is that you must do everything in your power to actually be baptized.
Not to worry. She can have anyone, absolutely anyone, baptize her, saying the proper words.
She can go to someone on the street and say "I'll pay you $100 dollars to say 'I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,' while pouring water over my head."
As for her temptations, no, they aren't a sin. I have had some disgusting images flash across my cranium while praying, not to mention at other times. The devil likes to do that. But I think what spouse is saying is that she had previously desired to remain a virgin and now she is realizing that is not her calling.
Spouse, I am glad you are opening your mind and listening to what God wants for you, but how will you find a Catholic husband in Iran? I strongly doubt I'd be able to find a girl even in America who believes as I do. There are a handful of sedevacantists and they all seem to believe in NFP -- I'm not going that route. However, I have no desire to be married.
Although your marriage would presumably be Catholic, though I still don't know if you are Novus Ordo or what you believe about the crisis today, be aware that it may not be a bed of roses. It may not even remove your lustful thoughts or temptations. Don't look at it as a solution to all your problems. Just look at it as your particular challenge to rise up to.