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Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
« on: April 25, 2021, 10:50:27 PM »
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    • Am I obliged to receive the Eucharist this Easter season even though I have some doubt about my baptism? Trent says the following
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    CANON IX.-If any one denieth, that all and each of Christ's faithful of both sexes are bound, when they have attained to years of discretion, to communicate every year, at least at Easter, in accordance with the precept of holy Mother Church; let him be anathema.
    If I were to guess my baptism is most likely valid, however the water was poured with my head down so it might not have hit my scalp or forehead. I can't tell via photos cause I had dunked my head in the water cause I did not know what to do when the priest told me to bow my head so my whole head was wet. There is also no video of it.
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #1 on: April 26, 2021, 12:05:24 AM »
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    • Yes. And you are to fulfill your Easter duty in the rite in which you were baptized.
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #2 on: April 26, 2021, 12:32:35 AM »
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    • What if one cannot fulfill his Easter duty except by going to the novus ordo and receiving in the hand?
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #3 on: April 26, 2021, 01:26:03 AM »
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    What if one cannot fulfill his Easter duty except by going to the novus ordo and receiving in the hand?
    I personally do not and would not attend the N.O. for any reason.

    You probably already know this but the Novus Ordo is, or at least is supposed to be, Latin rite so any valid Latin Mass would fulfill the obligation even if you were baptized in the N.O.
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    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #4 on: April 26, 2021, 04:14:10 AM »
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    • Don't forget confession especially if you have any mortal sins on your soul.
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #5 on: April 26, 2021, 06:18:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on April 25, 2021, 10:50:27 PM
    Am I obliged to receive the Eucharist this Easter season even though I have some doubt about my baptism? Trent says the followingIf I were to guess my baptism is most likely valid, however the water was poured with my head down so it might not have hit my scalp or forehead. I can't tell via photos cause I had dunked my head in the water cause I did not know what to do when the priest told me to bow my head so my whole head was wet. There is also no video of it.
    I would say, if you have a reasonable doubt about the validity of your baptism, to see a traditional priest, describe what you described here, and ask to be baptized sub conditione or at least ad cautelam.
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #6 on: April 26, 2021, 02:28:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on April 26, 2021, 06:18:57 AM
    I would say, if you have a reasonable doubt about the validity of your baptism, to see a traditional priest, describe what you described here, and ask to be baptized sub conditione or at least ad cautelam.
    I can't drive yet and parents won't take me to SSPX. Would I have to ask a friend to conditionally baptize me?
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #7 on: April 26, 2021, 02:35:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on April 26, 2021, 02:28:50 PM
    I can't drive yet and parents won't take me to SSPX. Would I have to ask a friend to conditionally baptize me?
    Can you not speak to the Priest where you usually attend?
    When I need counsel I usually speak to the Priest while still in the confessional.
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    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #8 on: April 26, 2021, 02:57:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on April 25, 2021, 10:50:27 PM
    Am I obliged to receive the Eucharist this Easter season even though I have some doubt about my baptism? Trent says the followingIf I were to guess my baptism is most likely valid, however the water was poured with my head down so it might not have hit my scalp or forehead. I can't tell via photos cause I had dunked my head in the water cause I did not know what to do when the priest told me to bow my head so my whole head was wet. There is also no video of it.
    Hmm, the water only has to flow along the skin anywhere on your head to be a valid baptism (as far as the pouring water part of it is concerned). If you are comfortable posting your photos, I wonder if we can resolve this for you.
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #9 on: April 26, 2021, 03:00:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on April 26, 2021, 02:57:17 PM
    Hmm, the water only has to flow along the skin anywhere on your head to be a valid baptism (as far as the pouring water part of it is concerned). If you are comfortable posting your photos, I wonder if we can resolve this for you.

    Correct.  There's no stipulation that it has to be on the FOREhead.
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #10 on: April 26, 2021, 04:15:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on April 26, 2021, 02:57:17 PM
    If you are comfortable posting your photos, I wonder if we can resolve this for you.
    I'm sure that you mean well Yeti, but C is underage and posting pictures of himself on a forum that is open to the world is imprudent at best.
    I certainly would not be pleased if I were his father.
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    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer

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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #11 on: April 26, 2021, 04:29:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on April 26, 2021, 02:28:50 PM
    I can't drive yet and parents won't take me to SSPX. Would I have to ask a friend to conditionally baptize me?
    Why not call to ask these same questions.  If the priest thinks there is positive doubt, then the two of you can figure out how to make it happen. 
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #12 on: April 26, 2021, 06:55:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Emile on April 26, 2021, 04:15:44 PM
    I'm sure that you mean well Yeti, but C is underage and posting pictures of himself on a forum that is open to the world is imprudent at best.
    I certainly would not be pleased if I were his father.
    Someone in this discord server actually managed to find a video of me at my parish and described me as "autistic acting teen"
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #13 on: April 26, 2021, 06:56:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on April 26, 2021, 02:57:17 PM
    Hmm, the water only has to flow along the skin anywhere on your head to be a valid baptism (as far as the pouring water part of it is concerned). If you are comfortable posting your photos, I wonder if we can resolve this for you.
    Like I said I had dunked my head in the water before so photos wouldn't help.
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    Re: Obligation to receive Communion during Easter in time of doubt?
    « Reply #14 on: April 26, 2021, 11:17:04 PM »
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    • Call the nearest traditional priest (sedevacantist is to be preferred, as sspx does not doubt N.O. baptisms by default.)  Do not rely on the novus ordo "priest" to give you accurate sacramental theology.  Seriously!  Call and talk to a priest, not a layman.  That said, this layman  thinks the question is somewhat silly:  you say you cant get to an sspx priest.  Can you get to any undoubtedly valid priest?  If not, you should never receive "communion" from them anyway.  A doubtfully valid sacrament is cannot be approached.  Your Easter obligation is in no way binding if subject to grave inconvenience ( which your situation indicates by being a minor without transportation.)  Whether you were or were not validly baptised, the answer is the same: seek a surely valid traditional priest and tell him your situation.  Submit to his judgement.  Allow Providence to sort out the details.
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