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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Novena for the Conclave
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 06:10:09 AM »
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  • Really?  A thumbs down?  Was that for the Novena, praying to the Holy Ghost or that the outcome would be beneficial to our souls?
    Please enlighten me.
    Apparently the down thumbers belong to the camp that says prayer in this case is abhorrent, or at least useless against the enemy. :facepalm:
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 06:33:32 AM »
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  • It's within the realm of possibility that another VII apostate gets elected then has a miraculous epiphany and becomes 
    a holy pope. He would then however need divine protection because otherwise he would be poisoned, slip on a banana peel, or be shot. 


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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 06:45:44 AM »
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  • It's within the realm of possibility that another VII apostate gets elected then has a miraculous epiphany and becomes
    a holy pope. He would then however need divine protection because otherwise he would be poisoned, slip on a banana peel, or be shot.
    Yes, just like Pius IX converted and was the 2nd longest pope to reign.  He did a total 180 and did much good.  

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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 09:35:56 AM »
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  • Yes, just like Pius IX converted and was the 2nd longest pope to reign.  He did a total 180 and did much good. 
    Yes, and that is precise why freemasons need to Cardinal Siri to accept the office of papacy after being elected. And to resign invalidly under threat, duress which was invalid. And invalid pope, false pope would not receive those graces that are unique to the office of papacy. Cardinal Tisserant knew that and some others also were Canon lawyers, very good theologians. 

    White smoke for 5 minutes is longer that it took in some conclaves before that, that pope is elected and everything was known.

    Roncalli was elected as a transitional pope, and one of the first thing he did is to promote archbishop Montini to a cardinal. And in 1959. he already was publicly talking and making plans to Vatican II council. 
    Our Lady of Fatima mentions that the Third secret has to be revealed by the 1960., not later. This has to be one of the most important reasons for that year She told. 

    All of the cardinals were ordained and consecrated in the same, valid rite. 


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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 09:46:21 AM »
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  • Yes, and that is precise why freemasons need to Cardinal Siri to accept the office of papacy after being elected. And to resign invalidly under threat, duress which was invalid. And invalid pope, false pope would not receive those graces that are unique to the office of papacy. Cardinal Tisserant knew that and some others also were Canon lawyers, very good theologians.

    White smoke for 5 minutes is longer that it took in some conclaves before that, that pope is elected and everything was known.

    Roncalli was elected as a transitional pope, and one of the first thing he did is to promote archbishop Montini to a cardinal. And in 1959. he already was publicly talking and making plans to Vatican II council.
    Our Lady of Fatima mentions that the Third secret has to be revealed by the 1960., not later. This has to be one of the most important reasons for that year She told.

    All of the cardinals were ordained and consecrated in the same, valid rite.
    Totally agree.


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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 10:10:59 AM »
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  • Yes, and that is precise why freemasons need to Cardinal Siri to accept the office of papacy after being elected. And to resign invalidly under threat, duress which was invalid. And invalid pope, false pope would not receive those graces that are unique to the office of papacy. Cardinal Tisserant knew that and some others also were Canon lawyers, very good theologians.

    100% ... and this is one of the most compelling considerations favoring the Siri Theory.  I believe that the Masons thought they had "their man" in Pius IX (there's some credible evidence that he had joined a lodge, but it's not 100% proven).  But once he was legitimately elected, and not being a manifest heretic, the graces of papal office turned him around completely.  So the Masons realized that the Holy Ghost would not allow them to destroy the Church through a legitimately-elected pope.  Even if he was an occult heretic, if he tried to teach a heresy via papal Magisterium, God would just cause him to drop dead.

    So they needed to get someone in there that had the APPEARANCE of legitimate office (so he would be persuasive) but without the substance and the reality of papal office.  How to do that?

    See, if they just did not want Siri, they could easily have just threatened him before his election, or worst case just killed him off.  Siri was the hands-down favorite, so he wasn't some surprise "dark horse" candidate that came out of nowhere and caught them by surprise.

    But they waited until he was elected and accepted ... at which point he instantly became Pope.  After that, if they applied grave duress to get him to step down against his will, that resignation would be invalid by force of law (and from common sense, etc. ... since then you could depose popes just by threatening them).  On the other hand, there's no way to assume that he would have accepted it had he been threatened beforehand, where you could conclude, "He's the rightful pope since he WOULD HAVE accepted the election had he not been threatened."

    So, the fact that there was no reason for them to wait until after his election and acceptance suggets that there was a calculated reason for the timing.

    Some claim that Universal Acceptance would have legitimized Roncalli anyway.  Completely false.  That would mean the Church effectively deposed Siri ... and under no circuмstances can anyone but God (by divine law) remove a pope from office.  There were a few historical precedents where a Pope had been taken into exile, but then in his absence another pope was elected ... in one case against the known public protests of the actual pope.  If you claim UPA could legitimize the new pope, that would effectively mean the Church can depose popes ... which is heresy after Vatican I.

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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 10:21:37 AM »
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  • 100% ... and this is one of the most compelling considerations favoring the Siri Theory.  I believe that the Masons thought they had "their man" in Pius IX (there's some credible evidence that he had joined a lodge, but it's not 100% proven).  But once he was legitimately elected, and not being a manifest heretic, the graces of papal office turned him around completely.  So the Masons realized that the Holy Ghost would not allow them to destroy the Church through a legitimately-elected pope.  Even if he was an occult heretic, if he tried to teach a heresy via papal Magisterium, God would just cause him to drop dead.

    So they needed to get someone in there that had the APPEARANCE of legitimate office (so he would be persuasive) but without the substance and the reality of papal office.  How to do that?

    See, if they just did not want Siri, they could easily have just threatened him before his election, or worst case just killed him off.  Siri was the hands-down favorite, so he wasn't some surprise "dark horse" candidate that came out of nowhere and caught them by surprise.

    But they waited until he was elected and accepted ... at which point he instantly became Pope.  After that, if they applied grave duress to get him to step down against his will, that resignation would be invalid by force of law (and from common sense, etc. ... since then you could depose popes just by threatening them).  On the other hand, there's no way to assume that he would have accepted it had he been threatened beforehand, where you could conclude, "He's the rightful pope since he WOULD HAVE accepted the election had he not been threatened."

    So, the fact that there was no reason for them to wait until after his election and acceptance suggets that there was a calculated reason for the timing.

    Some claim that Universal Acceptance would have legitimized Roncalli anyway.  Completely false.  That would mean the Church effectively deposed Siri ... and under no circuмstances can anyone but God (by divine law) remove a pope from office.  There were a few historical precedents where a Pope had been taken into exile, but then in his absence another pope was elected ... in one case against the known public protests of the actual pope.  If you claim UPA could legitimize the new pope, that would effectively mean the Church can depose popes ... which is heresy after Vatican I.

    I tend very strongly to suspect that Siri was indeed elected in 1958, and that the white smoke started rolling, but something went wrong, whether he accepted the papal office or not, whether he first said "accepto" and then said "no, I can't do this", or was prevailed upon either not to accept or to step down, or whatever, we'll never know.

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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 11:02:23 AM »
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  • I tend very strongly to suspect that Siri was indeed elected in 1958, and that the white smoke started rolling, but something went wrong, whether he accepted the papal office or not, whether he first said "accepto" and then said "no, I can't do this", or was prevailed ...
    Link below to see  film clips of the 1958 Conclave...short 5 minute film, in French,  see the video anyway, photos are universal. 51 Cardinals vote. A filmmaker shows the moment when the stove switched the smoke signal. Timestamp 1:45 .No mention of Siri, ( of course). 

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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 11:09:53 AM »
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  • I tend very strongly to suspect that Siri was indeed elected in 1958, and that the white smoke started rolling, but something went wrong, whether he accepted the papal office or not, whether he first said "accepto" and then said "no, I can't do this", or was prevailed upon either not to accept or to step down, or whatever, we'll never know.

    Oh, we'll know ... eventually, if that's what happened.  This isn't just about the smoke color ... and most people who dismiss the Siri Theory pretend that it's the only evidence for it.  There's tons of corroborating evidence all pointing to the same thing.

    Now, some SVs will claim that Siri then "fell from" the papacy due to manifest heresy, but I have to disagree as I've never seen a heretical statement attributed to Siri.  Yet the radical SVs who hold that someone is ipso facto outside the Church if they be long to toe Conciliar Church continue to insist on that ... though I find it absurd.

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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 03:24:47 PM »
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  • Anyone who thinks the conclave vote isn't rigged is a FOOL. It's been rigged since, at least, Wojtyla was installed as "pope" after they murdered Luciani. 
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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 04:35:25 PM »
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  • Anyone who thinks the conclave vote isn't rigged is a FOOL. It's been rigged since, at least, Wojtyla was installed as "pope" after they murdered Luciani.
    Of course it's rigged!  So what?  If God can control the devil, does anyone here really think He can't use a handful of heretics to fulfill His will?  There's not much difference between the devil and a heretic (unless the heretic repents).  God, and He alone, knows which man will best co-operate with His designs (whether they know it or not).  It will be for the good of our souls, whether we like it or not.
     
    So, pray to the Holy Ghost for the outcome of this conclave to be for the good of our souls and for Him not to leave us to our just deserts.
    If you have faith...practice it...don't just give up.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 04:53:15 PM »
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  • Of course it's rigged!  So what?  If God can control the devil, does anyone here really think He can't use a handful of heretics to fulfill His will?  There's not much difference between the devil and a heretic (unless the heretic repents).  God, and He alone, knows which man will best co-operate with His designs (whether they know it or not).  It will be for the good of our souls, whether we like it or not.
     
    So, pray to the Holy Ghost for the outcome of this conclave to be for the good of our souls and for Him not to leave us to our just deserts.
    If you have faith...practice it...don't just give up.
    The only beneficial move for the Faithful is that the scoundrels who occupy Vatican City and the cardinalate are completely destroyed. The reason God doesn't chastise them yet is because the Faithful are being punished for their sins and lukewarmness. 
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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
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  • The only beneficial move for the Faithful is that the scoundrels who occupy Vatican City and the cardinalate are completely destroyed.
    Destroyed by their conversion which could/would benefit the lukewarm and sinful.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
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  • Destroyed by their conversion which could/would benefit the lukewarm and sinful.
    Ain't gonna happen. 

    "[...] though thou wast not unaware that their origin was evil and their wickedness inborn, and that their way of thinking would never change. For they were an accursed race from the beginning, and it was not through fear of any one that thou didst leave them unpunished for their sins." ~ Book of Wisdom 12:10-11 (RSVCE)
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    Re: Novena for the Conclave
    « Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 08:06:12 PM »
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  • Nice to see you back, gladius.

    Thank you.
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