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When was the Vigil for All Saints abolished? And why?
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  • According to the source below, it was ommited by Pope Pius XII in 1955:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar_of_Pope_Pius_XII


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    The Vigil of the Nativity of the Lord and the vigil of Pentecost were privileged vigils. The Vigils of the Ascension of Our Lord, the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul and Saint Lawrence were to be common vigils and, if they occurred on a Sunday, were not to be anticipated, but simply omitted. All other vigils, including those marked in particular calendars, were suppressed.

    Why? Probably because Fr. Bugnini "the destroyer" wanted to "simplify".


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    Giovanni answered your other questions.  In answer to the last, yes it was traditionally a day of fast and total abstinence until the 1950's.

    There are several traditional priests and groups who follow the pre-1955 missals and who still observe the fast and abstinence.  Since Father Ringrose goes by it and he is the closest thing we have to a pastor, we do it as well.  (Except that since I am expecting currently I am not observing the fasting today but only the abstinence.)
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    Re: When was the Vigil for All Saints abolished? And why?
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  • All Hallows Eve (Halloween) in the Traditional, Pre-'55 Liturgical Books

    Halloween is a liturgical holiday. Anyone would be forgiven for not knowing that, because almost nobody keeps it that way anymore—to such a degree that some Catholics are of the opinion that we should wash our hands of the whole business. But Halloween has always belonged properly to the Church, and as such it should be made a key strategic objective in a cultural Reconquista. To help illustrate why, I’d like to walk through the day of October 31st, not as the world celebrates it now, but as the Latin Church celebrated it for centuries, listed in the Martyrology as Vigilia omnium Sanctorum.

    The Morning Offices

    The Thirty-first of October would traditionally have begun with the office of Matins before sunrise. Traditionally, weekdays in October Matins featured readings from the Books of Maccabees. But on the 31st, the readings switch to Luke 6 and Ambrose’s homily on the Beatitudes. These lessons appointed for Halloween come from the common “Of Many Martyrs”, and we will see this theme of the Beatitudes reappear not only later in the vigil day but also in the feast of All Saints to follow.


    The other unique element of the Office for Halloween is the collect, taken from the Mass and referring to the joy of all the saints and the “glorious and solemn commemoration” of the next day. We will return to this collect later, but suffice it to say that we can already see, even before the sun rises on October 31st, and really back to the Martyrology entry read at Prime on the 30th, that the sacred liturgy had set this day aside as something special.

    The Mass

    As a vigil, the Mass of Halloween saw the altar and priest vested in penitential violet. It had its own dedicated set of propers and readings. Overall, they anticipate the joy of the subsequent feast, though often with a slightly different twist. The beginning of the Halloween introit, Judicant sancti gentes, et dominantur populis (The Saints judge nations, and rule over people), strikes a more stern, Last-Judgment tone than the purely jubilant All Saints Introit Gaudeamus omnes in Domino (Let us rejoice in the Lord), even though they both end on the same Psalm: Exsultate, justi, in Domino (Rejoice in the Lord, ye just).


    In the Halloween gradual and offertory, note the grammatical tense in exsultabunt and laetabuntur: “The saints shall rejoice in glory, they shall be joyful in their beds”. The future here seems to pull double duty, not only helping to point forward to the next day’s feast, but also inviting a comparison between what the canonized saints enjoy now and what the Christian faithful and the souls in Purgatory will one day attain.

    The Halloween Mass marks the dramatic appearance of the Apocalypse (Revelations) in the liturgical readings.  Instead of a Pauline Epistle, we are suddenly confronted with St. John’s spectacular and cryptic imagery: a Lamb with seven horns and seven eyes, harps and choirs, angels circling the throne. It is a startling vision—and it will continue to unfold through the rest of Hallowtide. But only here in the vigil do we see the doctrine of intercessory prayer take such picturesque form as the “golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of the saints.” The Lesson also presents us with a first taste of universality or Catholicity of the saints—Christ has “redeemed us to God, in Thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation,” a theme we will come back to at Vespers.
    The Gospel of the day, as at Matins, is drawn from Christ’s Sermon on the Plain in Luke 6. It therefore nicely parallels the Gospel of All Saints’ Day, which presents the Sermon on the Mount from Matthew 5. Both texts give us the Beatitudes and point us toward the path to sainthood. But intriguingly, Luke’s Sermon on the Plain also features an exorcism: “And they that were troubled with unclean spirits were cured.” It is not a major theme of the Halloween Mass, to be sure, but its presence here is a well-timed reminder of our enemies in the spiritual battle—then as now. Another subtle hint can be found in the Communion verse Justorum animae, which reminds us that “the torment of malice” shall not touch the just.

    “Black Vespers”

    This strangely named office is really the Vespers of the Dead—“black” here referring to the color of the vestments. These vespers are not actually found on Halloween day in any of the Church’s official liturgical books. Their true liturgical place is after the Second Vespers of All Saints on November 1st. But I have included this office here since there was a Breton tradition of saying it on the afternoon of vigil—apparently devotionally (for historical references, see here). It may well have flourished in other places as well, since Brittany was said to be particularly conservative in its retention of old medieval customs.

    Black Vespers begins with the antiphon ”I will walk before the Lord in the land of the living”—and perhaps here we can see the origin of the idea that on Halloween the departed souls returned to earth. Neopagans have made much of this folk belief, often claiming it to be a lingering vestige of the “old ways”—on slender evidence and overoptimistic assumptions of pagan survival. This antiphon seems to offer a much more plausible source and a better explanation for the presence of this belief in disparate countries.


    In places where it was said, Black Vespers infused Halloween with the solemn spirit of All Souls’ Day—and reminded Catholics looking toward heaven of their dear departed still suffering in Purgatory. We can very much use this reminder today, particularly as Catholic funerals have too often become deformed into pseudo-canonizations, with the deceased rashly and improperly assumed to be enjoying heaven, with no need of our prayers.


    First Vespers of All Saints

    Finally, we come to the actual appointed Vespers for October 31st: the First Vespers of All Saints’ Day. In the dimming light of sunset, the Church officially begins its celebration of that great feast, having put aside the penitential violet and the mournful black, and vesting in the exultant glory of white and gold.

    Re-echoing the Mass Lesson, its antiphons boldly sweep up all history and all geography into the heavenly ranks: “I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne.”; “Thou, O Lord God, hast redeemed us by thy Blood, out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, and hast made us a kingdom unto our God.”

    The Vespers of All Saints is presenting us with a cast of historical and other-worldly characters of every type, arrayed before us in a great colorful pageant.


    The sequence Placare Christi addresses in each verse the angels, the Apostles, the purpled martyrs, the choir of virgins and confessors. The Antiphon at the Magnificat barely names a class of saints before it runs to the next in sheer delight—“O ye Angels, ye Archangels….O ye Patriarchs and Prophets, ye Holy Teachers of the Law,—O ye Apostles,—O all ye Martyrs of Christ, ye holy Confessors, ye Virgins of the Lord, ye Hermits,—O all ye holy children of God”.

    As Vespers came to a close, the lay Catholic of bygone ages retired with all these great themes and concepts fresh in his mind, preparing himself for the festivities of the next day. He would have seen priestly vestments change through the day from penitential violet, to somber black, to white or gold.  And what, today, forms the Halloween color palette? Purple, black, white and orange—matching Church’s liturgy almost perfectly, save for the characteristic hue of the North American Autumn.


    This is Halloween as traditionally envisioned by the Church: a colorful pageant where all the nations and even the living and the dead join together to give glory to God.



    Regrettably, despite its long history and rich tradition, the Eve of All Saints was one of the vigils completely abolished in 1955. As a result, even traditional Latin Mass parishes, which generally use the 1962 books, do not offer the liturgy that I have described above. The First Vespers of All Saints still remains, of course, even in the 1970 Missal, but the abolition of the vigil has turned the first part of the day into simply another generic “Mass of the Season.” The Triduum and its subsequent octave are no more. Gone too are the liturgical parallels between Halloween, All Saints, and All Souls, with their subtle variations and interwoven themes.



    They are vestigially remembered though. Across the globe, the liturgies of Hallowtide had long been imaginatively amplified by folk traditions and customs: souling in the British Isles, Pão-por-Deus in Portugal, Dia de Muertos in Mexico, and Pangangaluwa in the Philippines. Praying for the deceased of the family and of neighbors was a widespread phenomenon. In some areas like Scotland and Ireland, children went guising or masquerading after dark, carrying turnip lanterns and singing or reciting verses for treats.



    But the original anchor for all of these customs was the Church’s liturgy. Many of them were already seriously compromised after the Reformation—and in England Halloween customs had even been abolished by law. But when the Church herself pulled up the anchor, nothing could stop the various folk traditions in even Catholic countries from drifting aimlessly.



    What can we do? Let us set a good example in our homes first, restoring the liturgical Halloween to our hearts and our hearths. The texts of this wonderful vigil, from both the Mass and the Office, give us some excellent devotions for the day.  If you have a pre-1955 Missal and breviary handy, the prayers are readily available there for you to use. Alternatively, you can access them online using the links above. For convenience I have also compiled them and other devotions in a small booklet soon to be available from Ancilla Press. If nothing else, we would do immense good by taking a few seconds that day, while we prepare for any festivities, to devoutly pray the Collect of All Hallows Eve:



    O Lord, our God, multiply Thy graces upon us, and grant that joy may follow in the holy praise of those whose glorious festival we anticipate. Through our Lord Jesus Christ Thy Son, Who liveth and reigneth with Thee, in the unity of the Holy Ghost, one God, world without end. Amen.



    - Claudio Salvucci; Liturgical Arts Journal

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    Re: When was the Vigil for All Saints abolished? And why?
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  • As posters above have stated the Vigil was a casualty of the reformers cuм nostra of 23 March 1955.

    As well as abolishing the Vigil of All Saints, which was at least two centuries older than the reformers claimed, the ancient practice of a 'double Vespers' on All Saint's Day was abolished and Vespers of the Dead, which had, traditionally been sung immediately after second Vespers of All Saints, moved to the afternoon of All Souls' Day.  A consequence of that is when, as this year, All Souls is a Saturday Vespers of the Dead are omitted entirely. 


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  • According to the source below, it was ommited by Pope Pius XII in 1955:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar_of_Pope_Pius_XII


    Why? Probably because Fr. Bugnini "the destroyer" wanted to "simplify".
    Wait if these feasts were changed before Vatican 2 why don't people follow the new rules as set by Pope Pius 12th?

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    Wait if these feasts were changed before Vatican 2 why don't people follow the new rules as set by Pope Pius 12th?
    It's a great question.  Some people just pick-n-choose what to follow from Pius XII, without having a rational explanation.

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    Re: When was the Vigil for All Saints abolished? And why?
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  • Wait if these feasts were changed before Vatican 2 why don't people follow the new rules as set by Pope Pius 12th?

    They claim that they can do it due to epikeia.

    It is a somewhat weak argument, but it is rational, as I see it.

    The same argument is used to pray the Holy Week as it was before the 1955 changes.


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    Re: When was the Vigil for All Saints abolished? And why?
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  • Giovanni answered your other questions.  In answer to the last, yes it was traditionally a day of fast and total abstinence until the 1950's.

    There are several traditional priests and groups who follow the pre-1955 missals and who still observe the fast and abstinence.  Since Father Ringrose goes by it and he is the closest thing we have to a pastor, we do it as well.  (Except that since I am expecting currently I am not observing the fasting today but only the abstinence.)
    Thank you!  I’ve been asking various people all week and keep getting different answers!  I have respect for Fr. Ringrose having visited St. Athanasius a few times.  Since I’ve both fasted and abstained today, I feel better now about my decision.  

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    Re: When was the Vigil for All Saints abolished? And why?
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  • They claim that they can do it due to epikeia.

    It is a somewhat weak argument, but it is rational, as I see it.

    The same argument is used to pray the Holy Week as it was before the 1955 changes.

    Right.  I'm on the fence about the validity of the epikeia position.  I don't know if it's legit, but, in the absence of a legislator (which SVs hold to be the case), there is some room for this, since there's no active "interpreter" of law, and so I can't necessarily impugn them for doing it ... but it is in fact a slippery slope.  What's the next thing they can reject because they believe that a Traditional Pope given the "20/20" vision of hindsight, realizing how these changes led to the full-blown Modernism that came later, would in fact roll them back.  I think it's possible that a Trad Pope would in fact roll back the 1955 changes, and in the absence of said Trad pope, there may be a little wiggle room for interpretation.  We know, of course, that many/most of the Trad clergy would certainly roll them back if they were elected Pope tomorrow.

    What they CANNOT do (but almost implicitly suggest) is to use epikeia to somehow make the pre Pius XII disciplines effectively obligatory ... or accuse you of somehow being a Modernist for following them.

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    Re: When was the Vigil for All Saints abolished? And why?
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  • I think it's possible that a Trad Pope would in fact roll back the 1955 changes

    Not just possible, more likely certain. There's proof that the changes enacted
    could be ruled illicit:


    The Devil in the Rubrics

    As the history of the Liturgical Movement has shown, the reformers from Benedictine monk Dom Lambert Beauduin to Vatican II went to great lengths to make the faithful believe that the clergy are not the only members of the Church with a right to perform the liturgy. According to their “new theology,” responsibility for enacting the Church’s worship is entrusted to all the People of God by virtue of their common Baptism. And that is fundamentally why “active participation” of all the laity became their watchword.

    The revolution from above

    Pius XII greatly aided this new direction by officially endorsing lay “active participation” as part of what he called a “liturgical apostolate” (Mediator Dei § 109) ‒ a direction replicated and developed by Paul VI in the Constitution on the Liturgy. This consideration will help us to realize how revolutionary was Pius XII’s policy of enacting legislation to enable all the members of the congregation to take a direct and active part in the Church’s rites. Tucked away in his new Ordo of Holy Week (1956) were rubrical instructions that specifically required their “active participation” in the ceremonies.

    Fr. Frederick McManus
    , a major figure in the reform, made the following statement as soon as the new Holy Week Ordo was issued:


    “The rubrics of the Ordo refer constantly to the responses to be made by the members of the congregation and to their activity in the carrying out of the holy liturgy. This is of course a notable departure from the rubrical norms of the Roman Missal”.


    He went on to explain that the “active participation” of the congregation is “made a matter of rubrical law and incorporated into the very text of the new liturgical book.”

    But in the Roman Rite before the Liturgical Movement (i.e: Bugnini), there had never been any official rubrics assigned by the Church for the laity. The Missal of Pope Pius V (1570) contained rubrics for the priest and his ministers to perform the sacred ceremonies, but none for the people in the pews.  And this position was enshrined in the 1917 Code of Canon Law.


    As a canon lawyer, Fr. McManus would have realized the contradictory nature of Pius XII’s innovation and its full significance for the Liturgical Movement’s goals. The primary characteristic of this breakthrough was the profound challenge it posed to the foundations of the ordained priesthood, which set the clergy apart from the laity, and gave them the exclusive right to perform the Church’s official liturgy.

    The new rubrical law was based on the premise that lay people were entitled to a role as “actors” in the liturgy, with an officially recognized right to active involvement in the external rites alongside the clergy. It was a reversal of Canon 1256 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which reiterated the traditional position that the Church’s public worship is a function of its legitimately appointed clergy. The wall separating the ordained from the non-ordained was now breached.

    The introduction of rubrical laws into the Missal to legitimize the responses of the congregation and “their activity in the carrying out of the holy liturgy” was, as Fr. McManus observed, an unprecedented step. No Pope, least of all Pius X, had ever done anything like it before. Whereas previous editions of the Missal gave instructions only to the server, deacon or choir to give certain responses to the priest, the new rubrics included the whole congregation in this function.

    This decision was certainly problematic in expressing as a rule of law something that had previously been considered illegitimate. The rubrics of the Missal were, by their very nature, laws requiring obedience from those who were responsible for performing the Church’s liturgy. They were never intended for the laity. Fr. Adrian Fortescue pointed out in 1920 that “lay people in the body of the church … enjoy a natural liberty,” and that the liturgical rubrics apply only to “those who assist more officially, the server, clergy, others in choir, and so on.”

    Such a remarkable departure from tradition surely calls for a consideration of its legal and constitutional basis.
    We need to be clear whether it was a just law promoting the Common Good, and in what way it can be said to reflect the constitution of the Church. This had been defined by Pope Pius X as “inherently (“vi et natura sua”) an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of persons, the Pastors and the flock, those who occupy a rank in the different degrees of the hierarchy and the multitude of the faithful.”


    In two minds



    Pius XII stated in Mediator Dei § 93 that the action of the liturgy was the privilege only of the priest, and that the faithful participate by uniting their hearts with his intentions. Thus he upheld the immemorial practice of the Roman Rite in which the priest performed the visible, external rite, while the faithful present joined their prayers mentally with the actions of the priest, and offered spiritual sacrifices.



    But in §105 of the same docuмent, he rendered this teaching incoherent by conferring on the members of the congregation the right to become directly involved in the liturgical action “in an external way.”



    The licensing of disorder


    The problem, therefore, with the new legislation was that it was constructed on ambivalence. The role of the priest in the Mass was no longer “fixed” but relativized by being shared on an active level with the people. It introduced the spirit of democracy into the Church years before Vatican II. One cannot interfere with the basic order observed for centuries in the Church without inviting harmful collateral consequences.

    There is something unreal and unacceptable from a Catholic point of view about this development on account of the insuperable ontological and doctrinal problems it poses. For priests and faithful of the Roman Rite, there was the danger that it would distort their perception of the hierarchical nature of the Church and engender confusion in their minds about the distinction between ordination and simple baptism.

    And that is precisely the position in which the post-conciliar Church finds itself with the whole People of God jointly celebrating the Mass and Sacraments by reason of their “common priesthood.” Vatican II’s Constitution on the Liturgy (§ 31), developing the principle started by Pius XII, stipulated that when the liturgical books were revised, they “must carefully attend to the provision of rubrics also for the people’s parts.”



    One does not need to be an expert in liturgiology to see the likely effect this would have on a Catholic understanding of the Mass and the priesthood. It would undermine the very notion of exclusivity at the heart of the ordained priesthood: it is, after all, the Mass that makes the priest and gives him his identity.



    When the General Instruction of the Novus Ordo was produced in 1969, Cardinal Ottaviani noted its “obsessive references to the communal character of the Mass,” adding that “the role attributed to the faithful is autonomous, absolute – and hence completely false,” and that “the people themselves appear to be invested with autonomous priestly powers.”



    Pius XII as an agent of change



    In Pius XII’s detailed Instruction De Musica Sacra (1958) – which reads like a handbook for inserting lay participation in almost every nook and cranny of the liturgy – we see the beginnings of the so-called “community Mass” called for by the reformers.


    Henceforth, the emphasis would increasingly be placed on communal responses by the whole congregation speaking aloud, which would make it difficult, if not impossible, for them to continue in their time-honored custom of individually-chosen silent prayers. It would, in other words, spell the end of the so-called “silent Mass” beloved of the people. There is plenty of evidence to indicate that for Beauduin and many in the Liturgical Movement this was a desirable outcome.

    Few understood at the time that the novelty of including the laity in the rubrics of the Missal would create a paradigm shift in the liturgy that would require across-the-board new thinking in almost every aspect of it. Where this reform was heading was towards the progressivist concept of the liturgy enshrined in the Novus Ordo when “active participation” would become incuмbent on all the laity as their duty and responsibility.


    It was at the behest of the reformers that Pius XII began a process that had the gravest possible implications for future changes in the liturgy. His innovative rubrics for the laity were incorporated into the 1962 Missal by Pope John XXIII, and were followed immediately by a never-ending succession of desacralizing reforms, each one decreasing the role of the priest celebrant while greatly promoting the “active participation” of the laity.

    It was the beginning of a new, relativized situation in the Church where the accepted distinctions between clergy and laity in the liturgy no longer applied

    - Born of Revolution; Dr, Carol Byrne
















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    Re: When was the Vigil for All Saints abolished? And why?
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    What they CANNOT do (but almost implicitly suggest) is to use epikeia to somehow make the pre Pius XII disciplines effectively obligatory ... or accuse you of somehow being a Modernist for following them.
    Unfortunately, many Sedes do just this.