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Offline tradlover

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No Server at Low TLM?????
« on: July 07, 2010, 11:02:34 AM »
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  • What usually happens when at a Low TLM Mass ,usually weekdays, no servers show up???

     What happens??? Who does the responses,bells etc????

      Can someone tell me what happens and or what had you seen personally?

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    « Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 11:17:17 AM »
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  • never saw it happen-we have a fellow that is home schooled and assists at daily Mass.guess if alone, priest has to do without bells and liekly, would have cruets on altar or next to it...
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    No Server at Low TLM?????
    « Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 11:22:30 AM »
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    What usually happens when at a Low TLM Mass ,usually weekdays, no servers show up???

     What happens??? Who does the responses,bells etc????

      Can someone tell me what happens and or what had you seen personally?


    The priest goes ahead and says mass.  He says all the responses as if he were saying a private mass!  He does not ring the bells, of course.
    Servers are not a critical component of the mass
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    No Server at Low TLM?????
    « Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 11:24:06 AM »
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  • true, good points-mass must be said....
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    No Server at Low TLM?????
    « Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 02:42:03 PM »
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  • A member of the congregation, even a woman (if there's no man able to do so) may make the responses and ring the bell (from outside the sanctuary).


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    « Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 05:07:49 PM »
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  • Every Low (and High) Mass I have attended has had atleast one altar server. Was one not present at a Low Mass you attended?

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    « Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 06:00:56 PM »
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  • So am I... the only thing is that sometimes servers don't have their surplice and cassocks.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 06:19:03 PM »
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  • Years ago when we were going to the SSPX, we went to Benediction and were the only ones that showed up.   The priest asked my husband to ring the bells.  

    I would think it would be the same at a low Mass.  Ask some man to ring the bell and make the responses.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 11:15:33 PM »
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    A member of the congregation, even a woman (if there's no man able to do so) may make the responses and ring the bell (from outside the sanctuary).


    That's an abuse.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 08:31:48 AM »
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    A member of the congregation, even a woman (if there's no man able to do so) may make the responses and ring the bell (from outside the sanctuary).


    That's an abuse.


    I really don't think so.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 08, 2010, 08:36:51 AM »
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    So am I... the only thing is that sometimes servers don't have their surplice and cassocks.


    Joan-nice to see you back! :dancing-banana:
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    « Reply #11 on: July 08, 2010, 08:39:18 AM »
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    A member of the congregation, even a woman (if there's no man able to do so) may make the responses and ring the bell (from outside the sanctuary).


    That's an abuse.


    It is not.

    Moral Theology by Fr Heribert Jone (15th edition, 1953; imprimatur 1961):

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    547. - VI. Mass servers 1. A priest must have a server to assist him at Mass and answer the prayers.

    This is a grave obligation. Necessity excuses, e.g., Mass of obligation for either priest or people, Mass to confect Viaticum, or if the server leaves after the beginning of Mass and does not return. - One is more readily allowed to say Mass with a server who does not know the prayers. - If the server answers the prayers badly, the priest should answer himself if he can do so without becoming confused. - Indults permitting a priest to say Mass without a server now include a clause requiring the presence of someone to assist at the Mass.

    2. No woman or girl may serve Mass. An exception is made when no man or boy is available and a just reason is had. In no case may the woman serve at the altar; she may only answer the prayers at a distance.

    A Sister may do this even though the Mass is said devotionis causa in a convent chapel; although this would be venially sinful if a man or boy were available. - It would be a grave sin, however, for any woman to serve at the altar.



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    No Server at Low TLM?????
    « Reply #12 on: July 10, 2010, 02:31:22 PM »
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    A member of the congregation, even a woman (if there's no man able to do so) may make the responses and ring the bell (from outside the sanctuary).


    That's an abuse.


    I really don't think so.


    No, I also think it is an abuse. I agree with Ladislaus.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 10, 2010, 03:01:57 PM »
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    A member of the congregation, even a woman (if there's no man able to do so) may make the responses and ring the bell (from outside the sanctuary).


    That's an abuse.


    I really don't think so.


    No, I also think it is an abuse. I agree with Ladislaus.


    Well, it isn't, as I've shown!

     

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