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Offline Nadir

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Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2024, 12:34:21 AM »
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  • The issue that you need to be concerned with in your case of cohabitation is one of scandal

    You two obviously don’t go round with placards which read “we are not having sex”. Your lady friend is a Catholic and now so are you. So observers will believe that you are fornicating and so living in sin. This is no small matter and even if you do not engage in the marital act until you are married, (if indeed you do marry) you are still in danger for your and her immortal souls.

    Please read the reasoning behind this.

    The Sin of Scandal
    http://catholicharboroffaithandmorals.com/The%20Sin%20of%20Scandal.html





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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #91 on: April 27, 2024, 05:38:29 AM »
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  • There is an easy answer to that. We share a love that just makes us want to be answerable for each other and to spend all our lives together, eg. cooking together, doing groceries & chores together, attending mass & other church community activities together, praying together, being beside each other as we lay down to sleep/pillow talk, etc. And we cannot do some of that without the Sacrament of Marriage.

    I do not believe an union between two persons have to be about sex. I used to think that way in my youth but now I am actually quite surprised by the kind of nurturing love that can be shared between two persons who did not put sex as a motivation. Love can be shown by other ways that lasts longer than an orgasm. :laugh1:
    I don't believe it has to be "about sex" either, however, isn't it something that the Church considers an essential part to a valid marriage?  To be clear, I want to keep this conversation PG (please) and I do not mean to be disrespectful to you, but maybe others can chime in on this.

    Having said all of that, from what I'm reading, I suspect that you are already married.  The reason why I brought the attraction issue up is because, assuming you are still married and cannot re-marry, then it sounds like it would still be possible (not exactly what you both WANT, but possible) for you to have this relationship with this person as a great friend without cohabitating. The fact that there is no physical attraction is a huge plus in this regard.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #92 on: April 27, 2024, 09:08:51 AM »
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  • I think there have been some cases of Catholic couples never engaging in marital relations at least for some years. It would be interesting to know the church's teaching on this. It would seem vain to marry with no intent or attempt to have children, but I think it can be a means to help each other get to heaven in a lawful manner and without scandal. I'd still avoid sleeping in the same bed if there is no intention of producing children. I've heard a priest say that a married couple can leave each other (not divorce) and become religious as long as they agree on that matter, and have no hindering obligations such as raising children.
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #93 on: April 29, 2024, 02:19:51 AM »
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  • I don't believe it has to be "about sex" either, however, isn't it something that the Church considers an essential part to a valid marriage?  To be clear, I want to keep this conversation PG (please) and I do not mean to be disrespectful to you, but maybe others can chime in on this.

    Having said all of that, from what I'm reading, I suspect that you are already married.  The reason why I brought the attraction issue up is because, assuming you are still married and cannot re-marry, then it sounds like it would still be possible (not exactly what you both WANT, but possible) for you to have this relationship with this person as a great friend without cohabitating. The fact that there is no physical attraction is a huge plus in this regard.
    Yeah we have made an appointment to go down to the Ecclesiastical Tribunal next week, in order to begin the annulment process. Thank you all of pointing it out that our previous marriage still poses a problem.

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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #94 on: April 29, 2024, 02:45:58 AM »
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  • Struggling Catholic, the Sspx has never been out of communion with the Catholic Church. Whoever tells you that is deceiving you. It is the novel creation of Vatican 2 which has broken communion with the Church established by God and established on His apostles.

    Here are the details for Singapore SSPX

    St. Pius X Priory
    286 Upper Thomson Road
    Singapore 574402.
    Tel: [65] 6497 2873
    www.facebook.com/sspx.sg/
    Email
    Contact us by webform
    View Priory on map

    Mass: Sunday 8:00am (Low) & 10:00am (Sung), Monday to Saturday: 7:15am, 11.30am or 7.00pm (please check).
    Resident Priests:
    Rev. Fr. Patrick Summers (District Superior)
    Rev. Fr. Lawrence Novak
    Rev. Fr. Etienne Demornex (District Bursar




    It will cost you nothing to approach them and see what they have to say about your situation. You could also sit in on one of their Masses or even approach them for confession.

    What have you to lose?
    Actually that statement came from the Roman Archdiocese of Singapore.

    Nevertheless, I am somewhat traditional to a certain degree but I wouldn't go to that extent as to create a schism within the Church, where our own brethen either slander the Pope, or claiming the Novus Ordo is invalid and a fake mass, Vatican II is invalid, etc... as if the Church is fallen, thereby sowing seeds of confusion and erroneous views among the laity within the Church.

    Having heard all that, it did SSPX no favors. To me, that's somewhere along the lines to what the Protestants did. And I do not wish to have any part of that.





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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #95 on: April 29, 2024, 03:25:10 AM »
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  • Actually that statement came from the Roman Archdiocese of Singapore.

    Nevertheless, I am somewhat traditional to a certain degree but I wouldn't go to that extent as to create a schism within the Church, where our own brethen either slander the Pope, or claiming the Novus Ordo is invalid and a fake mass, Vatican II is invalid, etc... as if the Church is fallen, thereby sowing seeds of confusion and erroneous views among the laity within the Church.

    Having heard all that, it did SSPX no favors. To me, that's somewhere along the lines to what the Protestants did. And I do not wish to have any part of that.



    Your statements are very rash. Vatican 2 completely changed the mass and the sacraments. The new mass is not the same as the mass from the time of the apostles.

    This is not a small matter. I think one of the older members here will explain it well.

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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #96 on: April 29, 2024, 04:34:50 AM »
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  • Yeah we have made an appointment to go down to the Ecclesiastical Tribunal next week, in order to begin the annulment process. Thank you all of pointing it out that our previous marriage still poses a problem.
    The Novus Ordo sect hands out annulments like hot cakes, not that it even matters in the new religion, you can even receive communion while committing adultery per Amoris Laetitia.

    Your refusal to look into the serious matters presented, the heresies of the Second Vatican Council, the numerous apostate acts of the antipopes, the invalidity of the protestant new Mass, the 'Divine Mercy' deception, etc. will cost you your soul.

    False humility of accepting ravenous wolves as your shepherds will not suffice as an excuse.

    You have the right and the obligation to reject those who preach a false gospel of ecuмenism and tolerance.

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. (Galatians 1:8)

    This is the last warning you'll get from me, otherwise I'd be throwing pearls before swine so that they will be trampled upon.



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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #97 on: April 29, 2024, 04:36:57 AM »
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  • P.S. I pointed out the issue you have with your first marriage, which is something of great importance to you, the least you could do in return would be to prayerfully contemplate the contents of the above video. 


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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #98 on: April 29, 2024, 05:24:43 AM »
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  • P.S. I pointed out the issue you have with your first marriage, which is something of great importance to you, the least you could do in return would be to prayerfully contemplate the contents of the above video.
    I did watch those videos you sent. I have even seen worse accusations from Youtube too.

    I have been in constant battles since the day my aunt planted the seed in me, constant turmoil and internal struggles with claims from the Adventists, Protestants, LDS... all of which tried to tell me that they are the one true Church. I have had my fair share of arguments and struggles in my youth, before I grew too weary of. All it does is drive me away. Even now I am sick and weary of the strife differing opinions can cause. I just CHOOSE to have faith.

    In the end, I can only blame all these strife to be caused by 'shepherds misleading the sheep.' All that is needed is a well-edited Youtube video, or a well-written article by men that pulls things out of context to fit an agenda. I seen it all too many times and I will also see counter-arguments too, and that is why I stop letting all such claims take away my peace and lead me astray again. My eyes should remain on the Lord and that is all that matters, everything else is just noise.

    But I am grateful for you pointing out that my previous marriage is still an issue, thus we are applying for an annulment. And no, I do not believe in the claims that render the Church as one powerless, unholy entity, where there is no hope for the laity when healing and aid is required WITHIN the Church.

    I did my research on the grounds of an annulment, and mine does fall into that category that allows an annulment because I was threatened into marriage. Hot cakes or not, it is irrelevant for my case. I would rather place my faith in a good priest than allow a lay person to unknowingly rob me of my opportunity in being healed & restored, even though their intentions might be of kindness or compassion. 

    I shall hold fast to the Creed and in the Lord's promises. I do not believe that the Holy Spirit has abandoned the Church. Men may abandon Him, but He will never abandon His sheep.

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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #99 on: April 29, 2024, 06:06:46 AM »
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  • I did watch those videos you sent. I have even seen worse accusations from Youtube too.

    I have been in constant battles since the day my aunt planted the seed in me, constant turmoil and internal struggles with claims from the Adventists, Protestants, LDS... all of which tried to tell me that they are the one true Church. I have had my fair share of arguments and struggles in my youth, before I grew too weary of. All it does is drive me away. Even now I am sick and weary of the strife differing opinions can cause. I just CHOOSE to have faith.

    In the end, I can only blame all these strife to be caused by 'shepherds misleading the sheep.' All that is needed is a well-edited Youtube video, or a well-written article by men that pulls things out of context to fit an agenda. I seen it all too many times and I will also see counter-arguments too, and that is why I stop letting all such claims take away my peace and lead me astray again. My eyes should remain on the Lord and that is all that matters, everything else is just noise.

    But I am grateful for you pointing out that my previous marriage is still an issue, thus we are applying for an annulment. And no, I do not believe in the claims that render the Church as one powerless, unholy entity, where there is no hope for the laity when healing and aid is required WITHIN the Church.

    I did my research on the grounds of an annulment, and mine does fall into that category that allows an annulment because I was threatened into marriage. Hot cakes or not, it is irrelevant for my case. I would rather place my faith in a good priest than allow a lay person to unknowingly rob me of my opportunity in being healed & restored, even though their intentions might be of kindness or compassion.

    I shall hold fast to the Creed and in the Lord's promises. I do not believe that the Holy Spirit has abandoned the Church. Men may abandon Him, but He will never abandon His sheep.
    I pray for you and your journey.  I am glad that some of the posts didn't make you completely drop the Faith.   I am glad you are taking this marriage question seriously.  May God bless you and keep you.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #100 on: April 29, 2024, 06:31:25 AM »
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  • I did watch those videos you sent. I have even seen worse accusations from Youtube too.

    I have been in constant battles since the day my aunt planted the seed in me, constant turmoil and internal struggles with claims from the Adventists, Protestants, LDS... all of which tried to tell me that they are the one true Church. I have had my fair share of arguments and struggles in my youth, before I grew too weary of. All it does is drive me away. Even now I am sick and weary of the strife differing opinions can cause. I just CHOOSE to have faith.

    You see, it's pretty simple for me.  Despite all the noise, I don't think it's complicated at all.  Of all the Christian groups, only the Catholics and Orthodox are even contenders for legitimacy.  Our Lord did not establish a Church just to go off the rails in the first couple hundred years, only to be rediscovered over 1,000 years later by the likes of Martin Luther, who clearly founded his religion due to being unable to keep his zipper up, or Henry VIII, who deemed a "Defender of the [Catholic] Faith" ... until he decided that he wanted to get rid of his wife/wives and then died from a cocktail of STDs?  These are the men who after 1,000 years of hiatus from "True Christianity" were suddenly the ones God chose to rediscover it?  It's absurd, both the fact that Our Lord would allow His Church to effectively disappear for 1,000 years and that He would use men like these to re-establish it, people who clearly threw out Catholic teaching (and even Book of the Bible) that they didn't like for personal reasons.

    And it's preicely on account of unity, to PREVENT these myriad divisions, that Our Lord founded a Church on earth, where He gave them the Apostles authority to bind and to loose (what is bound on earth is bound in Heaven).  You can clearly trace the succession from the Apostles down through the Catholic Church and the Orthodox.  But the Orthodox system fails the test of unity also because there's no centralized authority that can resolve disputes, and so they split off into their regional and national churches, many different in doctrine, etc.  We see clearly in Sacred Scripture that Our Lord established Peter as the "rock upon which [He] would found [His] Church" and it's clear from the Acts of the Apostles and from the early Church Fathers, many of whom were disciples of the Apostles or disciplies of disciples of the Apostles, that when there was a dispute they looked to "Peter" and his successors as having the authority to resolve disputes.  Did Our Lord intend to found a fragmented Church, with Apostles against Apostles, and successors of Apostles vs. successors of Apostles, of a unified Church?  We have Our Lord also teaching that if one does not hear the Church, let him be treated as a heathen and a publican (a faithless sinnner).  Which Church, if there are many Churches divided?  Which one should be held to have such authority that if you don't listen to it, you're a non-Christian, since if you hear the Orthodox, you don't hear the Catholic, or if you hear one group of Orthodox you don't hear the other group?

    So I find this very simple and entirely un-complicated.

    As for differences of "opinion", such as points about which you might find people here arguing, despite all that, we have the same core/essential Catholics faith.  No human society is going to be in agreement on every single detail, and sometimes the Church allows a different of opinion, but if there's a danger of division or schism along the lines of faith, that's when the Church generally steps in, and the See of Peter resolves the issue definitively, so as we see statements in the early Church Fathers, "Peter has spoken; the matter is closed." Petrus dixit; res clausa est."  But sometimes the Church will allow certain LOWER-LEVEL (sub-faith) disputes to go on, which in a sense can be healthy, because it allows different theological ideas to explore the ineffable truths of God from different angles, for a deeper understanding.

    Finally, we're in an extremely difficult time in history, one which is difficult for converts like yourself, and even for long-time Catholics, because beginning in about 1958, the Church was finally infiltrated by groups (Masons/Communists) that had been making an open, admitted, and concerted effort to infiltrate and destroy the Church for centuries (we have their own writings, and an ex-Communist agent who converted in the US before Vatican II admitted that she had personally placed 1,100 men as infiltrators into Catholic seminaries just by herself).  Sacred Scripture, the Church Fathers, and many Catholic visionaries clearly predicted a great apostasy or falling away as we get closer to the end of the world.  Our Lady af Fatima came to warn us what was to transpire, with a Cardinal (Ciappi) who read the Third Secret saying that it refers to an Apostasy that "begins at the top".  Padre Pio told the famous exorcist Father Amorth that the Third Secret told of a counter-Church (of Satan) set up to eclipse the True Church.  That's where we are right now, and it's difficult as a result, but keep these points in mind and faithfull pray the Holy Rosary, and you'll be OK.


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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #101 on: April 29, 2024, 08:57:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marulus Fidelis 4/24/2024, 3:32:18 PM
    P. S. The fact that you have only now been made aware of your marital situation and that your "priest" hasn't told you anything about the matter should be an indication of who is of the Truth.
    The priest I was in contact with was the one who led the RCIA. He had to inquire about my previous marriage and if I have remarried, to make sure it does not hinder my baptism in any way, shape or form. He did the same thing for the other catechumens who were divorced.

    I did mention to him my intention of remarrying in the Church in future, and he told me to see him again when we are going to do it, 'so as not to complicate things for me now'. Didn't understand it then but now I do. So i have to reject the notion that the priest is not on the side of Truth. If anything, I can see he tried not to burden me with the news out of charity, so as not to increase the load of my yoke but to focus on our baptism first and all good things will follow after.

    As the laity, we cannot claim to know the hearts of the priests all the time, and assert our judgement on them to everyone. They see so many people everyday and even if they miss the mark sometimes, don't we all? If we are going to talk about sins, that's the perfect example of the sins of pride and calumny. We are all humans, including priests. All of us have our own struggles. Personally I feel there is no point carrying a banner making false and slanderous claims, each bigger than the last (when there are so many great counter arguments from so many docuмents available online which has rendered these claims 'weak' and unable to stand on its own legs), even though the intention might have come from a good place.

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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #102 on: April 29, 2024, 09:18:20 PM »
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  • I can never understand how there can be an annulment between two Catholics if there are children with their marriage?       

    What does the Bible say about divorce and remarried?   

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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #103 on: April 29, 2024, 09:43:06 PM »
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  • I can never understand how there can be an annulment between two Catholics if there are children with their marriage?     

    What does the Bible say about divorce and remarried? 
    Whether or not there are children involved doesn’t have anything to do with annulment. 

    An annulment is simply stating that the sacrament of matrimony was never validly confected. 

    yes, the conciliar church dispenses annulments like candy, but pre-Vatican 2 there could certainly be cases where marriages were annulled, even with children involved.

    an annulment is not a divorce, even if the new church might treat it this way.
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    Re: Newly Baptised and Struggling
    « Reply #104 on: April 29, 2024, 09:47:36 PM »
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  • Actually that statement came from the Roman Archdiocese of Singapore.

    Nevertheless, I am somewhat traditional to a certain degree but I wouldn't go to that extent as to create a schism within the Church, where our own brethen either slander the Pope, or claiming the Novus Ordo is invalid and a fake mass, Vatican II is invalid, etc... as if the Church is fallen, thereby sowing seeds of confusion and erroneous views among the laity within the Church.

    Having heard all that, it did SSPX no favors. To me, that's somewhere along the lines to what the Protestants did. And I do not wish to have any part of that.



    To be fair, you’ve come to this particular forum asking a question. Scroll down to the bottom of the webpage and read the description of the forum:

    “the de-facto headquarters of the SSPX resistance”

    this forum is populated largely, if not entirely by traditional Catholics who attend SSPX/resistance/sedevacantist Masses and hold these theological positions. The answers you’re going to get for this or any other question you ask are going to be informed by this perspective. Heed the advice, or don’t heed the advice, but it is pointless and stupid to come here asking for advice and shut the advice down because it doesn’t align with your perspective. That’s bullheaded, illogical, and a waste of your own time.
    God cannot leave a soul to swim
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