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Offline Cryptinox

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What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
« on: May 16, 2021, 12:34:32 PM »
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    Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.
    Romans 1:32
    The greek word for this is
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    συνευδοκοῦσιν (syneudokousin)
    Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural
    Strong's 4909: From sun and eudokeo; to think well of in common, i.e. Assent to, feel gratified with.
    However the Vulgate (free from theological error has the) 
    third-person plural present active indicative of cōnsentiō which can mean




    Now I am worried of even venial grave matter. Would playing a videogame that has one cutscene that takes the Lord's name in vain count as "consenting to those who do them?" There is this video game I am interested in buying that has the option to skip cutscenes or mute them but I still am not sure. I also own this video game I bought years ago that has a cutscene that takes Our Lord's name in vain however I can't return it and I mainly play the player made levels. I am very unsure. I also am worried even talking to an unrepentant coworker could be consenting.

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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #1 on: May 16, 2021, 01:09:04 PM »
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #2 on: May 16, 2021, 01:30:44 PM »
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    • You need spiritual direction for scrupulosity ... before you tear yourself to pieces.
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #3 on: May 16, 2021, 06:31:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 16, 2021, 01:30:44 PM
    You need spiritual direction for scrupulosity ... before you tear yourself to pieces.
    THIS ^^^^^  NOW ^^^^ 
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #4 on: May 16, 2021, 07:16:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 16, 2021, 01:30:44 PM
    You need spiritual direction for scrupulosity ... before you tear yourself to pieces.
    This is good advice,.  I would say however that what you need even more fundamentally (as I and others have mentioned in previous threads) is to study the basic Catechism.  The Catechism of St Pius X for instance.  I said this in another thread as well, but "venial grave matter" does not exist.  The difference between venial and mortal sin is quite explicit, as are the 9 ways of being accessory to sin.  I strongly recommend that, rather then deciding which video game is permissible, you sell your video game machine and pick up a good catechism.  That way, you are not only avoiding any potentially immoral material, but using your time prudently and performing a meritorious work.  
    Also, you should not ask about matters of conscience on an internet forum if at all possible.  Pre-1958 Catholic manuals will guide you very well, and for more complex questions, SUBJECT YOURSELF TO YOUR CONFESSOR.  God bless you
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #5 on: May 16, 2021, 07:37:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Username on May 16, 2021, 07:16:04 PM
    This is good advice,.  I would say however that what you need even more fundamentally (as I and others have mentioned in previous threads) is to study the basic Catechism.  The Catechism of St Pius X for instance.  I said this in another thread as well, but "venial grave matter" does not exist.  The difference between venial and mortal sin is quite explicit, as are the 9 ways of being accessory to sin.  I strongly recommend that, rather then deciding which video game is permissible, you sell your video game machine and pick up a good catechism.  That way, you are not only avoiding any potentially immoral material, but using your time prudently and performing a meritorious work.  
    Also, you should not ask about matters of conscience on an internet forum if at all possible.  Pre-1958 Catholic manuals will guide you very well, and for more complex questions, SUBJECT YOURSELF TO YOUR CONFESSOR.  God bless you
    Yes, but I wouldn’t recommend any moral theology manuals as they could exacerbate his scrupulosity.
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #6 on: May 16, 2021, 07:54:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 16, 2021, 07:37:10 PM
    Yes, but I wouldn’t recommend any moral theology manuals as they could exacerbate his scrupulosity.
    Agreed.  I meant "manuals" in the broad sense of the word.  I should have worded it differently.  
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #7 on: May 16, 2021, 08:21:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Username on May 16, 2021, 07:16:04 PM
    This is good advice,.  I would say however that what you need even more fundamentally (as I and others have mentioned in previous threads) is to study the basic Catechism.  The Catechism of St Pius X for instance.  I said this in another thread as well, but "venial grave matter" does not exist.  The difference between venial and mortal sin is quite explicit, as are the 9 ways of being accessory to sin.  I strongly recommend that, rather then deciding which video game is permissible, you sell your video game machine and pick up a good catechism.  That way, you are not only avoiding any potentially immoral material, but using your time prudently and performing a meritorious work.  
    Also, you should not ask about matters of conscience on an internet forum if at all possible.  Pre-1958 Catholic manuals will guide you very well, and for more complex questions, SUBJECT YOURSELF TO YOUR CONFESSOR.  God bless you
    I use a pc. I am speaking of a committing a grave sin without full knowledge/full consent.
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #8 on: May 16, 2021, 08:32:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on May 16, 2021, 08:21:11 PM
    I am speaking of a committing a grave sin without full knowledge/full consent.
    No such thing.  Relax, take the sound, kindly-offered advice and trust that all will be well.  Pax tecuм.
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #9 on: May 16, 2021, 08:38:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on May 16, 2021, 08:32:01 PM
    No such thing.  Relax, take the sound, kindly-offered advice and trust that all will be well.  Pax tecuм.
    What if someone murdered someone but thought their act was justified in the eyes of God like in a war or something?
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #10 on: May 16, 2021, 08:43:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on May 16, 2021, 08:38:20 PM
    What if someone murdered someone but thought their act was justified in the eyes of God like in a war or something?

    Such scenarios have no immediate application to you, do they?   Then just cut the crap and CHILL the heck OUT.

    You are seeking to fly before you have even begun to walk, much less run.

    Chill, amigo.  God is GOOD, He is GOODNESS ITSELF; just trust Him and His designs, for you and every single one of His creatures.
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #11 on: May 16, 2021, 08:55:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on May 16, 2021, 08:38:20 PM
    What if someone murdered someone but thought their act was justified in the eyes of God like in a war or something?
    You ask for advice but you refuse to take it.
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #12 on: May 16, 2021, 09:20:27 PM »
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    • Username: ...”  I strongly recommend that, rather then deciding which video game is permissible, you sell your video game machine and pick up a good catechism. ”amen!

    This is best advice!



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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #13 on: May 16, 2021, 11:05:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on May 16, 2021, 08:38:20 PM
    What if someone murdered someone but thought their act was justified in the eyes of God like in a war or something?
    Then it's not murder. 

    Quote from: donkath on May 16, 2021, 08:55:30 PM
    You ask for advice but you refuse to take it.

    This ^
    Find something more useful to do with your time. Visit the sick, feed the poor. Garden for some oldie. Get your mind off yourself.
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    Re: What is considered "consenting to those who do them?"
    « Reply #14 on: May 16, 2021, 11:23:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on May 16, 2021, 11:05:13 PM
    Find something more useful to do with your time. Visit the sick, feed the poor. Garden for some oldie. Get your mind off yourself.  
    Help mom and dad by mowing lawn, taking out trash, paint, etc.  work on a farm (Sunday’s off for church) or other job to help your family.  Join a Catholic youth group.  

    Username: ...”  I strongly recommend that, rather then deciding which video game is permissible, you sell your video game machine and pick up a good catechism.”amen!   



    This is best advice!  Get rid of video games.  Time to grow up.



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     (Time to grow up)
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