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MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
« on: August 02, 2022, 10:42:00 PM »
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  • This has to be one of my favourites 

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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
    « Reply #1 on: August 03, 2022, 06:06:01 AM »
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  • I have always hesitated to watch this one because I was afraid they novus ordo-ized it.  Good to know they did it well!  I have actually been to the look-out at Molokai!  (I was young at the time though and they wouldn't let children down into the actual leper colony.)
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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
    « Reply #2 on: August 05, 2022, 06:29:25 AM »
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  • Good gracious! I worked on a mission where there were many lepers, and even visited in a leprosarium in Sydney. In school I used to have to check for pale spots on the skin. And I had friends with Leprosy, who used to come to visit us at home and vice versa. They were a family of four and three had leprosy (now called hansens disease).

    See https://www.findandconnect.gov.au/guide/nt/YE00048
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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
    « Reply #3 on: August 05, 2022, 06:31:29 AM »
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  • I am just loving this movie, thank you, Miseremini. Will finish watching it tomorrow.

    Incidentally I find out it is an Aussie, filmed here and in Belgium. 
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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
    « Reply #4 on: August 05, 2022, 11:16:50 AM »
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  • The movie was filmed in the islands of Hawaii.  Below is an excerpt from the production info.
    At the end of the DVD there are interviews with the present residents and film footage of the location.

    https://www.ozmovies.com.au/movie/molokai-the-story-of-father-damien


    Production Details
    (Note: Molokai isn't really an Australian film, having been funded by a Belgian production company, who hired Australian director Paul Cox to work on it. However, there are significant Australian components. Besides Cox, there's the Australian leading actor, and other cast, the Australian DOP - and the composer for Cox's cut - and other crew. It could easily have been constructed as an official co-production - if the Belgian company had wanted it, and had finance been available in Australia. Because of the Cox connection, some wrongly designate the result an Australian production).
    Production company: ERAfilms and Kinepolis Brussels present; tail credits: with the support of Fonds Films in Vlaanderen - Nederlands Fonds voor de Film - Cobo Fonds Vlaamse Radio en Televisie - Evangelische Omroep; co-financed by GIMV - Kinepolis Group - Creafund - Joedheco - Mercator & Noordstar - Group Fivanco - Group Vanheede - Bacob Bank - Omega Pharma - Finap - Studio-hotel Avenue; tail credit copyrights to CVBA Damien/Jos Stelling Films.
    Budget: c. US$10 million (other reports cite US$10.5 million. Yet others cite it as being A$10 million, which given the poor A-US$ exchange rate at the time would mean a substantially smaller budget). This was reportedly the biggest budget for a Flemish/Belgian film to that point in time, and the Belgian producers referred to US$ in interviews.
    Locations: head credit reads "In honour of and with the Residents of Kalaupapa"; tail credit reads "Shot on the original locations in Kalaupapa and Molokai, with the approval of The Hawaii Film Office - Department of Land and Natural Resources - Department of Health - Kalaupapa National Historical Park - The Maui Film Commission - City and Country of Honolulu - Queen Emma's Summer Palace - Falls of Clyde - Hawaii Maritime Center"


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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
    « Reply #5 on: August 07, 2022, 08:45:23 PM »
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  • So...  I must say that we had to stop watching this because we were so disturbed by it...

    In the beginning we were pleasantly surprised by how they actually had more of a traditional altar, the Mass in Latin and such...

    But then the movie started getting worse and worse.

    #1.  One of the lepers (actor Peter O'Toole) asks Father Damian if he really believes that only Catholics go to heaven.  Father Damian responded that he didn't know for sure but that "I know Catholics can go to heaven."

    #2. The same leper is dying and refuses to convert and be given the last rites.  Father Damian then allows him to be buried in a Catholic cemetery even though the lay people are like, "Uhm...  We shouldn't be doing this if he didn't die a Catholic."

    #3.  There were quite a few unnecessary scenes with people not dressed properly and constant hinting of impure things.

    #4.  Father Damian most of the time didn't wear his cassock properly and was kinda of flippant with it.

    #5.  They had a band playing in the church right in front of the altar (kind of like the novus ordo does).

    #6. People started to use God's name in vain.

    #7. The final straw for us was when Father Damian himself used God's name in vain.  

    The real Father Damian would probably be rolling over in his grave because of this movie...

    Just felt like I needed to say something about it for those going into watching this unsuspectingly...
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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
    « Reply #6 on: August 07, 2022, 09:01:02 PM »
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  • Yes, you picked up on it.

    There was one scene where Father Damien married a leper couple, but during the wedding, one of Father's associates mentioned the Diocese might get wind of it, because one of the couple's previous spouse was still alive.  There was another theological gaff, but can't remember exactly what?

    I liked the film, but have to admit it was Novus-ordo-ized.

    Read a couple books on St. Damien and he was a priest's priest.  He had made coffins for over 1,500 lepers and also dug about the same amount of graves.  These were skills he learned as a boy from his town's Catholic blacksmith.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
    « Reply #7 on: August 07, 2022, 09:16:23 PM »
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  • Yes, you picked up on it.

    There was one scene where Father Damien married a leper couple, but during the wedding, one of Father's associates mentioned the Diocese might get wind of it, because one of the couple's previous spouse was still alive.  There was another theological gaff, but can't remember exactly what?

    I liked the film, but have to admit it was Novus-ordo-ized.

    Read a couple books on St. Damien and he was a priest's priest.  He had made coffins for over 1,500 lepers and also dug about the same amount of graves.  These were skills he learned as a boy from his town's Catholic blacksmith.
    Oh, wow...  We hadn't gotten to that part yet.  That is awful...  :facepalm:

    I always had respect for the real Father Damian.  That is why we couldn't keep watching...

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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
    « Reply #8 on: August 07, 2022, 09:54:09 PM »
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  • So...  I must say that we had to stop watching this because we were so disturbed by it...

    In the beginning we were pleasantly surprised by how they actually had more of a traditional altar, the Mass in Latin and such...

    But then the movie started getting worse and worse.

    #1.  One of the lepers (actor Peter O'Toole) asks Father Damian if he really believes that only Catholics go to heaven.  Father Damian responded that he didn't know for sure but that "I know Catholics can go to heaven."

    #2. The same leper is dying and refuses to convert and be given the last rites.  Father Damian then allows him to be buried in a Catholic cemetery even though the lay people are like, "Uhm...  We shouldn't be doing this if he didn't die a Catholic."

    #3.  There were quite a few unnecessary scenes with people not dressed properly and constant hinting of impure things.

    #4.  Father Damian most of the time didn't wear his cassock properly and was kinda of flippant with it.

    #5.  They had a band playing in the church right in front of the altar (kind of like the novus ordo does).

    #6. People started to use God's name in vain.

    #7. The final straw for us was when Father Damian himself used God's name in vain. 

    The real Father Damian would probably be rolling over in his grave because of this movie...

    Just felt like I needed to say something about it for those going into watching this unsuspectingly...
    Thanks for the heads-up. Last year my friends and I tried to figure out what film to watch together, then we watched the trailer for this and I immediately told them to skip this film. Turns out I was right then.
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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
    « Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 05:52:48 AM »
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  • Thanks for the heads-up. Last year my friends and I tried to figure out what film to watch together, then we watched the trailer for this and I immediately told them to skip this film. Turns out I was right then.
    Phew...  I wish we had seen the trailer and skipped it...  :facepalm:
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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
    « Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 04:40:22 PM »
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  • Thanks for the heads-up. Last year my friends and I tried to figure out what film to watch together, then we watched the trailer for this and I immediately told them to skip this film. Turns out I was right then.
    What in the official trailer is so terrible?

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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
    « Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 05:07:31 PM »
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  • So...  I must say that we had to stop watching this because we were so disturbed by it...

    In the beginning we were pleasantly surprised by how they actually had more of a traditional altar, the Mass in Latin and such...

    But then the movie started getting worse and worse.

    #1.  One of the lepers (actor Peter O'Toole) asks Father Damian if he really believes that only Catholics go to heaven.  Father Damian responded that he didn't know for sure but that "I know Catholics can go to heaven."
    Everyone who is baptised is Catholic, if only for a few seconds.  Their eternity depends on whether they co-operate with God's graces in the last few seconds of their life.
      It is to God alone to say "Welcome" or "I never knew you"
    Damien left judgement to God alone as to whether the person was within His church.
    #2. The same leper is dying and refuses to convert and be given the last rites.  Father Damian then allows him to be buried in a Catholic cemetery even though the lay people are like, "Uhm...  We shouldn't be doing this if he didn't die a Catholic."
    Are you confusing consecrated ground to ground where Catholics are buried?  Do you think that a Bishop actually travelled to Molokai to consecrate that poor little church, canonically erect the Stations of the Cross and consecrate a cemetary?  Not very likely!
    Isn't the island mostly lava rock?  So they found some earth near the church to bury people.  The priest, when there was one there, may have blessed the individual graves. (similar to what they do today)
    I can't even imagine how many Catholics are buried in consecrated ground whose souls now reside in hell.  Remember, burying the dead is a corporal work of mercy.

    #3.  There were quite a few unnecessary scenes with people not dressed properly and constant hinting of impure things.

    As it said in the movie, "these people are here awaiting death with nothing to do"  of course there were sins of impurity committed far worse than what was hinted at and considering this was a for profit production I was happy to see their restraint. 
    I've seen worse posted here on CI.
    As for their not being properly dressed, really????  What do you think the fashion was for rags back then.  It's not like there were clothing stores in operation .  In reality I'd wager many were half naked. 
    Perhaps we should destroy all crucifixes because Our Lord is improperly clothed and placed on our altars to boot!
    #4.  Father Damian most of the time didn't wear his cassock properly and was kinda of flippant with it.
    Give me a break.  His superiors sent him there for 3 months.  His Bishop promised to bring him back after one month. He was instructed not to touch anyone, eat with anyone prepare his own food etc So it looks like their intention was for him to go and offer Mass, hear confessions and possibly convert a few.  Under those circuмstances he could have worn a nice clean cassock all the time.

    In reality in his many manifestations, he became doctor, nurse, carpenter, repair man, builder, engineer, law enforcer, undertaker, coffin maker, grave digger, lepers advocate, etc would you have him try to repair a roof in a cassock? 
    What about the priests during the French revolution who cast off their cassocks to impersonate various tradespeople, or Father Miguel Pro during the Cristeros wars?  True different circuмstances but dire circuмstances none the less.

    #5.  They had a band playing in the church right in front of the altar (kind of like the novus ordo does).
    No comparison to the NO.  Damien tried to get them interested in something other than dying, so he taught them music and instruments among other things.  They used what limited talent and ability they had to try to give glory to God in a small rectangular building that didn't even have a proper Sanctuary much less a choir loft.
    #6. People started to use God's name in vain.
    Not on my DVD copy.  If it's on youtube I agree it should have been left out.
    #7. The final straw for us was when Father Damian himself used God's name in vain.
    This I missed.  I'll rewatch and look for it.  Remember, he wasn't a saint yet, just a man, albeit a priest.
    The real Father Damian would probably be rolling over in his grave because of this movie...
    Hardly.  After reading books on Father Damien and "Damien and Dutton, the Two Josephs on Molokai", I think considering it was scripted and produced by lay people, the results were excellent. It's the movie I go to when I'm having a pity party and it slaps me back to reality real quick.
    Just felt like I needed to say something about it for those going into watching this unsuspectingly...
    Amazing how people view the same movie but see things so totally different.
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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
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  • What in the official trailer is so terrible?

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    I apologize, I was thinking of a different film that has a hippie priest.:facepalm:
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    Re: MOVIE; Molokai, The Story of Father Damien
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  • I must say that I didn't notice any immodesty (but then I didn't look for it).

    Don't forget these people were dumped as prisoners on a location without any fresh running water, with only the sea for bathing, and that impossible for many of them to access, no roof to shelter them, no access to any clothing but what was on their back when they arrived.

    Most would have been in depression with no hope for a future and many demented.

    When Father volunteered for 3 months his main concern was the dispensing of the Sacraments, but he had no understanding what he was getting into. He arrived with a tiny bag. By the time the 3 months period was up he loved too much to abandon these lost souls.

    His great desire for himself was to have regular access to the Sacrament of Penance, and even this was denied him until the Bishop had mercy, but Father was prevented the luxury of privacy. 

    I think so many take so much for granted with their soft cushy lives. I see it here a lot.                 
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