Author Topic: Motu Proprio text here (Read 6519 times)

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** July 07, 2007, 12:36:35 PM »

Here is a wise comment from one Catholic:

The Holy Father has sold out FSSP and the Institute in this letter. He did not really free the Mass either. The bishops still have veto power over the public celebration of the Mass. We waited this long, and we really got nothing. Once people have a chance to really look at this docuмent after the euphoria has settled down, we will realize the self described son of Vatican II gave us nothing.

The passage from the letter most troubling can be found below. FSSP and the Institute were founded only to use the 1962 Missal, and now he says they must say the new Mass. That passage alone will keep SSPX from reconiling.

Needless to say, in order to experience full communion, the priests of the communities adhering to the former usage cannot, as a matter of principle, exclude celebrating according to the new books. The total exclusion of the new rite would not in fact be consistent with the recognition of its value and holiness.

PinoyMonk · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2007, 03:06:11 PM »

That's not the only disturbing passage. Here are a few more:

1. Many people who clearly accepted the binding character of the Second Vatican Council, and were faithful to the Pope and the Bishops, nonetheless also desired to recover the form of the sacred liturgy that was dear to them.

2. There is no contradiction between the two editions of the Roman Missal.

I'm sure that you can dig for plenty of other frightening passages.

Daniel · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2007, 07:29:41 PM »

The release of this docuмent is like a bloke standing in a bar with a huge grin on his face telling the longest joke of all time. Finally he gets to the punch line and laughs his head off while his victims are left looking at each other and wondering why they stood there for so long over nothing.

What are we expected to say after this non event? Perhaps we are to turn the other cheek and offer it for another slapping?

Life won't change for me, but what about all the people who have been strung along waiting for nothing more than the latest proof that democracy reigns in the modern Church.

Dear Lord, give us a leader, please.

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2007, 09:59:37 PM »

Last time I checked, we haven't experienced a world-and-Church-cleansing Chastisement. So why would the cardinals suddenly repent and elect a Pope who would undo Vatican II?

Indeed, Pope Benedict has no intention of undoing Vatican II. In fact, I heard that he once called himself a "son of Vatican II". Remember, the cardinals wanted CONTINUITY when they elected the RIGHT HAND MAN OF POPE JOHN PAUL II. They didn't want radical change.

On the one hand, don't despair because God is in control -- He will restore the Church in good time. But on the other hand, keep in mind that Bishop Williamson wasn't elected Pope a couple years ago -- the right hand man of JPII was.

I seriously doubt the Crisis in the Church will end "without a shot being fired" as it were.

Matthew

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2007, 10:54:52 PM »

Notice the Easter Triduum exception, and also I did not see any mention concerning Holy Orders to be given according to a pre-1968 Roman Pontifical.

Magdalene · « **Reply #8 on:** July 07, 2007, 10:55:10 PM »

Maybe I just don't understand, but what Novus Ordo priest will want to say the TLM (aren't most of them happy with the new Mass?). And even if some did want to say the TLM, they don't know Latin or the TLM so does that mean they will have to go on retreat somewhere to be taught by SSPX priests or Independent priests?

Now suppose a N.O. priest learns Latin and the TLM, will his sermons be any different than if he was offering a N.O. - just because they start celebrating the TLM, it doesn't mean that they have stopped believing in the errors of Vatican II or will suddenly start talking about the evils of certain types of sins.

As for the N.O. people who start attending the TLM, they will show up with no head veils, immodest dress, and still talk after church. I think they won't become morally better or orthodox in the faith because the problem is not just the TLM, it is what they are taught by the priests as far as how to be true Catholics. I think they will attend the TLM not because they will become traditional Catholics but because maybe the TLM is at a more convenient time or maybe they are in the mood that Sunday to attend the TLM (kind of how one day you are in the mood for an apple and the other day in the mood for an orange). I don't see this Motu Propio as making N.O. Catholics any more orthodox in the faith.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2007, 10:58:22 PM »

What is wrong with talking after church? Or did you mean talk during Mass?

Magdalene · « **Reply #10 on:** July 08, 2007, 12:08:11 AM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos

What is wrong with talking after church? Or did you mean talk during Mass?

I meant talking after church while still inside the church - disrespect towards our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament and lack of charity towards those who are trying to pray after Mass.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #11 on:** July 08, 2007, 03:12:43 PM »

Quote from: Magdalene

Quote from: Kephapaulos
What is wrong with talking after church? Or did you mean talk during Mass?

I meant talking after church while still inside the church - disrespect towards our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament and lack of charity towards those who are trying to pray after Mass.

Oh, okay. I see what you mean now.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #12 on:** July 08, 2007, 07:17:11 PM »

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Papal Explanatory Letter to Bishops
regarding the Apostolic Letter
SUMMORUM PONTIFIcuм

I love the constant insanity of these men - a letter to explain the letter!

This man has just informed us that the last 40 years of TLM suppression was not actually based upon an abrogation of the rite (and therefore based upon nothing), also making the "Indult" of 1984 meaningless from the start.

Two Masses, one rite? Can anyone say "synthesis"? Look for it down the road.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #13 on:** July 08, 2007, 07:22:03 PM »

"I say High Church, you say Low Church; Let's call the whole thing off..."

MichaelSolimanto · « **Reply #14 on:** July 16, 2007, 03:35:14 AM »