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Offline ServusInutilisDomini

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Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
« on: August 26, 2022, 05:43:15 AM »
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  • I have a choir competition scheduled in a city where there is no Latin Mass, am I allowed to go?

    If yes, I suppose I am obliged to follow mass online or pray extra, right?

    I will speak to my priest but want to hear your opinions or authoritative teaching just in case.


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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #1 on: August 26, 2022, 06:01:35 AM »
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  • I don't see why wouldn't you be allowed to go, but to miss Mass for choir practice? Always remember that our first and most important obligation on Sunday is to go to Mass, even before eating.

    There are legitimate reasons for not meeting this obligation, and your priest may dispense your from it, but I would say choir practice is not a reason to miss Mass.







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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #2 on: August 26, 2022, 06:27:21 AM »
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  • Is this Church choir competition or college choir competition?

    So many extra curricular activities including professional sports scheduled on a Sunday these days.  Couldn’t they schedule these competitions on Saturday or during the week?  





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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #3 on: August 26, 2022, 06:31:15 AM »
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  • Is this Church choir competition or college choir competition?

    So many extra curricular activities including professional sports scheduled on a Sunday these days. 
    College choir, singing secular and catholic songs, although I don't see how that is relevant. 

    To add further context, I am not specifically required to attend. I may legitimately opt-out, however, I don't know what will happen if I don't come to all competitions on Sundays.

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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #4 on: August 26, 2022, 06:41:00 AM »
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  • You could be able to assist at Mass on line or read your missal and go to competition.  Many traditional Catholics who vacation where there is no Latin Mass available will pray their missal or assist online. Then go back to church in person asap.  During week make a trip if chapel is open to Eucharistic adoration.

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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #5 on: August 26, 2022, 06:59:00 AM »
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  • You could be able to assist at Mass on line or read your missal and go to competition.  Many traditional Catholics who vacation where there is no Latin Mass available will pray their missal or assist online. Then go back to church in person asap.  During week make a trip if chapel is open to Eucharistic adoration.
    Servus, I tend to lean towards this.  Even in normal times, if you were away on vacation somewhere where there was no mass, you were not obligated to drive hours away to get to mass [at least I don't think so!].  In addition, in normal times back then there were no internet livestream masses as a substitute.  I would add that I don't think it is obligatory to even watch mass online [although I would certainly encourage you to do that if the timing works]. 

     

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #6 on: August 26, 2022, 07:06:35 AM »
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  • College choir, singing secular and catholic songs, although I don't see how that is relevant.

    To add further context, I am not specifically required to attend. I may legitimately opt-out, however, I don't know what will happen if I don't come to all competitions on Sundays.
    How often will this be??  I think if this is a common occurrence, then these competitions must take a back seat to mass even if that means you can not be part of them ever again.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #7 on: August 26, 2022, 07:27:00 AM »
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  • How often will this be??  I think if this is a common occurrence, then these competitions must take a back seat to mass even if that means you can not be part of them ever again.
    This is the first such occurrence in 9 months. I would say it could happen twice a year at the most.


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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #8 on: August 26, 2022, 07:38:01 AM »
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  • This is the first such occurrence in 9 months. I would say it could happen twice a year at the most.
    Yeah, then I would still say the same thing I said above.  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #9 on: August 26, 2022, 07:41:51 AM »
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  • It is permitted to miss Mass if travelling and, per a sermon I saw from Bishop Sanborn (someone posted it here once), you are dispensed from the obligation if there's no (acceptable Catholic) Mass within an hour of your location, or if there are other logistical issues making it burdensome to assist.  There need not be some grave reason for the travel ... could simply be that you want to go on a vacation, or for any legitimate activity.  Choir competition would be perfectly legitimate.  Now, if someone were travelling to engage in something sinful or illicit or otherwise illegitimate, then the person would also be guilty of missing Mass.

    There is, however, no backup obligation to do anything else to make up for it (viewing online Mass, reading the Missal, etc.).  While those are highly recommended, either you can assist at Mass or you can't, and there's no law that requires some specific kind of backup activity ... although there should be some reasonable attempt to conform to the general divine law of keeping the day holy ... as much a possible.

    There would be no reason for you to be troubled by it.

    Now, depending on your conscience, even if there's no Tridentine Mass, there may in fact be Eastern Rite Masses in the area.  I consider them to be valid and, apart from, say, the Maronite Rite, acceptable for a Catholic to assist at.  When I've travelled, if there was an Eastern Rite Liturgy within range, I would consider myself obligated to attend if possible (i.e. if not prevented by other considerations, such as logistics, etc.)


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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #10 on: August 26, 2022, 07:51:33 AM »
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  • It is permitted to miss Mass if travelling and, per a sermon I saw from Bishop Sanborn (someone posted it here once), you are dispensed from the obligation if there's no (acceptable Catholic) Mass within an hour of your location, or if there are other logistical issues making it burdensome to assist.  There need not be some grave reason for the travel ... could simply be that you want to go on a vacation, or for any legitimate activity.  Choir competition would be perfectly legitimate.  Now, if someone were travelling to engage in something sinful or illicit or otherwise illegitimate, then the person would also be guilty of missing Mass.

    There is, however, no backup obligation to do anything else to make up for it (viewing online Mass, reading the Missal, etc.).  While those are highly recommended, either you can assist at Mass or you can't, and there's no law that requires some specific kind of backup activity ... although there should be some reasonable attempt to conform to the general divine law of keeping the day holy ... as much a possible.

    There would be no reason for you to be troubled by it.

    Now, depending on your conscience, even if there's no Tridentine Mass, there may in fact be Eastern Rite Masses in the area.  I consider them to be valid and, apart from, say, the Maronite Rite, acceptable for a Catholic to assist at.  When I've travelled, if there was an Eastern Rite Liturgy within range, I would consider myself obligated to attend if possible (i.e. if not prevented by other considerations, such as logistics, etc.)
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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #11 on: August 26, 2022, 10:59:55 AM »
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  • You could be able to assist at Mass on line or read your missal and go to competition.  Many traditional Catholics who vacation where there is no Latin Mass available will pray their missal or assist online. Then go back to church in person asap.  During week make a trip if chapel is open to Eucharistic adoration.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #12 on: August 26, 2022, 12:51:45 PM »
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  • And pray the rosary on the ride. 
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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #13 on: September 30, 2022, 04:13:31 AM »
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  • In the end I managed to go to a TLM in another city on the way back :D

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    Re: Missing Sunday mass for choir competition?
    « Reply #14 on: September 30, 2022, 05:44:10 AM »
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  • All the suggestions about praying the Missal, watching Mass online, or praying the Rosary are nice ideas ... just so long as everyone is clear that there's no substitute or fallback obligation to do anything if one cannot attend Mass.  One should still try to keep the day Holy in all the other ways theologians say they should, but I think after the COVID nonsense, some people came away with the impression that if there was an online Mass you had a grave obligation to tune in as if it were a Mass option.