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Missal for Latin Mass
« on: May 06, 2017, 10:08:38 PM »
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  • So I'm trying to figure out which Missal is best for a Latin Mass and it turns out I have an old one from 1955 which is in quite good condition still.

    However, in going through the week's readings, I noted that May 11 (my birthday coincidentally) has a slightly different calendar than the one listed here for 1962: http://www.tridentinecatholic.com/cal2017.pdf

    In the 1962 missal, May 11 is Saints Philip and James Apostles. In my 1955, it's St. Lucia Filippini, Virgin.

    In the 1955 on May 31 it's St. Angela of Merici, Virgin. In the 1962 it's The Blessed Virgin Mary Queen of Heaven and Earth Commemoration of St. Petronilla Virgin.

    So I'm going to guess this 1955 is worthless.

    So should I purchase a 1962 or a 1958? This is getting confusing.

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    Re: Missal for Latin Mass
    « Reply #1 on: May 06, 2017, 10:26:30 PM »
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    When you seek out a Traditional Latin Mass, you'll find they all still use the old calendar, so your 1955 missal will be just fine for those chapels and Masses.  I've been using a 1945 Fr. Lasance Missal for several decades, and there is no end in sight. I know lots of Catholics who use them. It's probably the most commonly found still in use. BTW it's the one used to make the calendar you've linked to in the OP.
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    If you go to Indult Mass, they'll use the new calendar. So it all depends where you go to Mass.
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    Re: Missal for Latin Mass
    « Reply #2 on: May 06, 2017, 11:25:17 PM »
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  • So I'm trying to figure out which Missal is best for a Latin Mass and it turns out I have an old one from 1955 which is in quite good condition still.

    However, in going through the week's readings, I noted that May 11 (my birthday coincidentally) has a slightly different calendar than the one listed here for 1962: http://www.tridentinecatholic.com/cal2017.pdf

    In the 1962 missal, May 11 is Saints Philip and James Apostles. In my 1955, it's St. Lucia Filippini, Virgin.

    In the 1955 on May 31 it's St. Angela of Merici, Virgin. In the 1962 it's The Blessed Virgin Mary Queen of Heaven and Earth Commemoration of St. Petronilla Virgin.

    So I'm going to guess this 1955 is worthless.

    So should I purchase a 1962 or a 1958? This is getting confusing.
    Keep your 1955 Missal. It is still good. Saints' feasts vary and are not set in cement, for instance if you go to Mass at a Carmelite chapel you might find that they are celebrating a Carmelite saint, ditto for the Benedictines, the Dominicans etc. Saints can also vary from country to country. Besides there are far too many saints for one/day!
    My New Sunday Missal celebrates Saints Philip and James Apostles on May 11, while my New Roman Missal 1945 reprint has no saint for that day (?) so hang on till you know more about it.

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    Re: Missal for Latin Mass
    « Reply #3 on: May 07, 2017, 01:22:09 PM »
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  • Each of these missals is acceptable and which missal you use for any given Mass would mostly depend upon what missal the chapel uses.  The missal you have is just fine and is used by many traditional chapels.  For the most part you can use the missal you have for Sunday Masses even when you attend a chapel that uses a different missal.

    I would not get rid of your missal and purchase another one only if you really want to.

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    Re: Missal for Latin Mass
    « Reply #4 on: May 07, 2017, 01:44:59 PM »
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  • Before deciding find out which one the chapel you are going to uses. If you can get that exact one it will help a lot to keep you on the same page as everyone else. . .
     
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    Re: Missal for Latin Mass
    « Reply #5 on: May 07, 2017, 03:48:21 PM »
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  • The missals that use "you" instead of "thy", are the modernized.  I don't care for them.

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    Re: Missal for Latin Mass
    « Reply #6 on: May 07, 2017, 03:51:36 PM »
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  • The missals that use "you" instead of "thy", are the modernized.  I don't care for them.
    There are missals that use "you" instead of "thy"?  I've never seen one of these.  That's interesting.

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    Re: Missal for Latin Mass
    « Reply #7 on: May 12, 2017, 04:38:06 PM »
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  • So I'm trying to figure out which Missal is best for a Latin Mass and it turns out I have an old one from 1955 which is in quite good condition still.

    However, in going through the week's readings, I noted that May 11 (my birthday coincidentally) has a slightly different calendar than the one listed here for 1962: http://www.tridentinecatholic.com/cal2017.pdf

    In the 1962 missal, May 11 is Saints Philip and James Apostles. In my 1955, it's St. Lucia Filippini, Virgin.

    In the 1955 on May 31 it's St. Angela of Merici, Virgin. In the 1962 it's The Blessed Virgin Mary Queen of Heaven and Earth Commemoration of St. Petronilla Virgin.

    So I'm going to guess this 1955 is worthless.

    So should I purchase a 1962 or a 1958? This is getting confusing.
    Keep the missal you have.  It is not worthless and new missals can be very expensive.  I use a Fr. Lasance 1945 Missal, which is what our priest uses, but my daughter uses a 1958 Marian Missal, and my husband uses a 1962 Missal that we purchased when attending SSPX.  


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    Your best missal for the Latin Mass is the Holy Rosary.
    « Reply #8 on: May 12, 2017, 06:37:18 PM »
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  • Believe it or not, it used to be against the code of canon law for Catholic laity to own vernacular translations of the missal.  Traditionally this was frowned upon.  During the pontificate of Leo XIII, this tenant was widely ignored.  Then, along came Pius X, and suddenly what was frowned upon was positively encouraged.  (Perhaps Pius X was sponsored by Desclee and Co, which, surprise! is a Belgium company.  You know, Amsterdam, ancient seat of European Jewry...but I digress.)  The missal is a distraction.  The pewgoers are more worried about following the Mass than praying the Mass.  The Missal gave rise to the "dialog mass". precursor to the Novus Ordo.  (I can smell something burning- the tempers of a lot of "fifties fogies" who think that all the evils of liturgical anarchy date from Vat 2 and Good Pope John... but I digress.)  

    The Most Holy Rosary is your Mass, your Office, your Rule, and your Enclosure...

    Your Mass, because the Rosary will take you to the Foot of the Cross, which is the Mass.
    Your Office, because the 150 Hail Marys contain the wisdom of the 150 psalms.  The Rosary is Our Lady's Psalter.
    Your Rule, because, as all monks have a rule (the most famous being the Holy Rule of St Benedict, lots of wisdom there even for laymen, for all Christians are called to be "Monastic") and through the Rosary Our Lady will give you "signal graces", signals that will help keep your boat afloat in your particular place and circumstances.
    Your enclosure, because the Rosary will you give you peace no matter where you reside on the stormy sea of this life.

    Once upon a time, I was a Missal Catholic.  Been there, done that.  After a few months, I found the Missal to be a distraction.  Missal Catholics are more worried about whether they are ahead or behind the priest than whether they are really prayerful.  If you find yourself being buffeted by distractions, it is probably because you are too immersed in the world.

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    Re: Missal for Latin Mass
    « Reply #9 on: May 12, 2017, 07:01:27 PM »
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  • I was vaguely aware that the laity using a missal with the vernacular was a new thing but I did not know it used to be forbidden. I only used a missal during Mass one time. I prefer just watching the priest and listening. I don't want to stare at a book the whole time during the Mass. I own a Missal but I never use it at Mass, I only use it at home to read prayers.
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    Re: Your best missal for the Latin Mass is the Holy Rosary.
    « Reply #10 on: May 12, 2017, 07:31:59 PM »
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  • Believe it or not, it used to be against the code of canon law for Catholic laity to own vernacular translations of the missal.  Traditionally this was frowned upon.  During the pontificate of Leo XIII, this tenant was widely ignored.  Then, along came Pius X, and suddenly what was frowned upon was positively encouraged.  (Perhaps Pius X was sponsored by Desclee and Co, which, surprise! is a Belgium company.  You know, Amsterdam, ancient seat of European Jewry...but I digress.)  
    Your post is one long digression. Exleftist asked about what Missal he should acquire, not whether or not he should use a missal in Mass.
    Can you give a reference for your claim that the code of canon law used to be against Catholic laity owning a vernacular translations of the missal?

    By the way, the word is "tenet" not "tenant", and Amsterdam is not in Belgium. 


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    « Reply #11 on: May 12, 2017, 08:16:32 PM »
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  • Two quotes for you:


    Recently I was reading a portion of Walter W. Whitehouse's The Musical Prelude to Vatican II: Plainchant, Participation, and Pius X in which he remarks with surprise about that pope's progressive attitudes:
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    Pius published a catechism and prayerbook for the Catholic laity of Rome in 1905 . . . which included the full Ordinary and Canon of the Mass, and recommended the Mass-text as the preferred prayers for Sunday use. This was only eight years after the vernacular translation of the Missal had come off the Index of Forbidden Books!
    Is that right?

    I poked around a little bit. In Where Thousands Fell (1995), William J. Leonard, S.J. offers these recollections:
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    In any case, I remember that when I arrived at the novitiate I was asked if I had brought a missal.

    "A missal?" I said, "What's that?" 

    I had spent four years in a Catholic high school and never heard the word. But that was in 1925, before the hand missal became popular. We had prayer-books -- The Key of Heaven for girls and The Young Men's Guide for boys -- which contained devotions for various occasions and sometimes even the Epistles and Gospels for the Sundays. No publisher, as far as I know, however, and brought out a complete missal in translation. Actually, the prohibition against printing a translation of the Latin Canon had been dropped from the Index of Forbidden Books only twenty-five years before.

    Many people who call themselves "Traditional" really have a lot to learn.
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    Postscript... Amsterdam... Belgium
    « Reply #12 on: May 12, 2017, 08:25:26 PM »
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  • Greetings.
    I know this off topic for the post.  I never said Amsterdam was in Belgium.  But, last time I consulted a map, the two were in very close proximity.
    Okay, in future posts I will try and be more angelic with technical details.
    I don't want to get into a shooting war here.

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    Re: Reply to Nadir
    « Reply #13 on: May 12, 2017, 09:12:26 PM »
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  • I poked around a little bit. In Where Thousands Fell (1995), William J. Leonard, S.J. offers these recollections:Many people who call themselves "Traditional" really have a lot to learn.


    Well, we Traditionalists may have a lot to learn, but not from the likes of William J. Leonard S.J., who was a big proponent of liturgical reform and the New Mass. You should find better sources for your assertions. 
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    Re: Your best missal for the Latin Mass is the Holy Rosary.
    « Reply #14 on: May 12, 2017, 09:46:43 PM »
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  • Can you give a reference for your claim that the code of canon law used to be against Catholic laity owning a vernacular translations of the missal?
    I expressed myself poorly. I should say: Can you give a reference from Canon Law, for your claim that the code of canon law is against Catholic laity owning a vernacular translations of the missal?

    Thank you.

     

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