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Author Topic: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?  (Read 10284 times)

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Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #80 on: May 29, 2023, 07:50:01 PM »
Hand missals are discouraged in the NO because their purpose is already being served by the rite in the vernacular.
No, they're not.  At any Novus Ordo, you will have people furiously flipping through the disposable missals, and when the reading from the pulpit goes to the next page, you can hear pages rustling throughout the entire nave.  I see this with newcomers at the TLM who have hitherto been attending the Novus Ordo.  They flip through the hand missals provided by the church or chapel, desperately trying to keep up, because that's how they've been trained.

Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #81 on: May 29, 2023, 08:00:38 PM »
Hand missals are discouraged in the NO because their purpose is already being served by the rite in the vernacular.
Hand missals are beginning to be discouraged in the NO because these were a quaint boomer accessory masquerading toward legitimacy. Perhaps the next generation still uses them here and there for now to humor their elders. Yet except for the likes of Weinandy or Weigel, the postmodern (or whatever you want to call it) NuChurch doesn't even feel a need to demonstrate legitimacy anymore; all those arguments about how it was really done back in the catacombs have vanished. Why bother, when Roche gets his way arbitrarily. What's spreading now is call-and-response, gratuitous enculturation, or some other freeform Theater of the Absurd. A dialogue mass at least is still premised on standardization.

Here is where broad-brush categorizations of modernism lead to imprecision, especially when applied to the conciliar behemoth from the perspective of these narrow margins that don't even want what the neo SSPX is peddling.


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Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #82 on: May 29, 2023, 09:36:00 PM »
Lay missals being equated with the vernacular mass and the novus ordo is the most absurd thing I’ve heard of.  

Some people like to read; others don’t.  Grow up. 

Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #83 on: May 29, 2023, 09:42:23 PM »
You have to hold his hand all the way.
I noticed.

Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #84 on: May 29, 2023, 09:45:01 PM »

Some people like to read; others don’t.  Grow up.
You're right. What matters is that people do what they like at Mass.