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Mass to be offered in Denver area - Fr. Stretenovic
« on: March 03, 2020, 01:55:11 PM »
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    Holy Mass to be offered in the Denver area:

    Thursday, March 26
    7:00pm

    Fr. Paul Sretenovic

    Location TBD (based on number of attendees)

    Father plans to offer Mass in Denver once per month beginning in March.

    Contact info for inquiries / RSVP's:

    pelicanwing@protonmail.com
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    Re: Mass to be offered in Denver area - Fr. Stretenovic
    « Reply #1 on: March 03, 2020, 02:13:04 PM »
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    Fr. Paul Sretenovic


    Fr. Sretenovic is one of the independent priests working with Fr. Perez, or at lest used to work with him. I do not see him listed as one of their priests anymore: http://www.ourladyhelpofchristians.us/olhc-general-information


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    Re: Mass to be offered in Denver area - Fr. Stretenovic
    « Reply #2 on: March 03, 2020, 02:19:59 PM »
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  • Fr. Sretenovic is one of the independent priests working with Fr. Perez, or at lest used to work with him. I do not see him listed as one of their priests anymore: http://www.ourladyhelpofchristians.us/olhc-general-information
    FYI: He no longer works or supports Fr. Perez: https://actualcatholic.com/featured

    Dear Fathers and OLHC Faithful,

    At the request of his parishioners, effective the first of December, I have decided to take over at Monsignor Ruscitto’s old parish in Tulare.

    As you may recall, I left for my sabbatical on May 31st, not long before Monsignor died on June 11th.  While I do believe that, all things being equal, I would have moved to Tulare anyway, it is also true that I would not have come back even if this opportunity had not presented itself.  I decided to take a step back because of the growing number of issues I have had at OLHC with the pastor, some of which have become longstanding.  Lack of leadership, bad prudential judgments, and grave mishandling of pastoral situations, which includes the mistreatment of parishioners, top the list.  Both priests, not just the pastor, share the blame with regard to the last issue, which is a more recent development.

    In good conscience, I will not continue with things as they are.  I doubt that these issues will ever be resolved.  If they are resolved, as they should be, I am still continuing on this present course of action no matter what.

    I never wanted to leave you, especially after all of the years I have been at OLHC.  My above concerns were specifically mentioned on numerous occasions before taking my sabbatical, but those efforts were in vain.  I have since come to believe that there is more good that I can do for the Church and for souls elsewhere.  My future parish has always been Liturgically “pre-55”.  They possess a setup more in accord with Catholic Tradition, namely that a priest is in charge of the property and day to day operations.  I am also setting up a mission in Riverside County as well as in Cortez, CO.

    All of you at OLHC should know of my ongoing prayers and affection.  I ask for your prayers for me in return.  God bless you.

    For Christ the King,
    Fr. Paul Sretenovic

    Published 9/15/19
    Feast of the Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary

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    Re: Mass to be offered in Denver area - Fr. Stretenovic
    « Reply #3 on: March 03, 2020, 04:06:47 PM »
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    Fr. Sretenovic was conditionally ordained by Bishop Zendejas one year ago, with Bishop Williamson assisting.  Father left the parish in Garden Grove and has since taken up the parish of Msgr. Rosciutto (sp).  He is not affiliated with any group at present.  Feel free to use the contact info for further questions.  
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    Re: Mass to be offered in Denver area - Fr. Stretenovic
    « Reply #4 on: March 03, 2020, 06:04:55 PM »
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  • Hello.  This is Father Sretenovic.  Just to clarify, yes, I was conditionally Ordained by Bishop Zendejas in the attendance of Bishop Williamson, whom assisted.  That was Low Sunday last year.  My parents were the witnesses.  The priest I took over for, Monsignor Raymond Ruscitto, was featured in the well-known book, Priest, Where is Thy Mass?  Mass, Where is Thy Priest?  Also, just for clarification, I made a mistake in my open letter as I am not starting a mission in Cortez, CO.  That is actually Bishop Zendejas’ mission that I visit virtually once a month.  When I wrote what I did, I was thinking more of what I was starting to do and immediately recognized my mistake after I sent it.  Mea culpa! 


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    Re: Mass to be offered in Denver area - Fr. Stretenovic
    « Reply #5 on: March 04, 2020, 02:55:45 AM »
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  • From the Mailbag --


    Hello, Matthew,

    In case people want to know more about me, below represents one part of an exchange with an SSPX priest in early January, and this was the last part, which was never answered.  It is edited as I also wrote about other issues, but this may be helpful to those whom visit your site.  Much of this, objectively, is nothing new, but some people do not otherwise know me so here it is.  Post or do not post as you wish.

    Dear Father,

    You are right that I have been nearer to the mindset of the SSPX and its priests since my departure from the Novus Ordo.  I love the Society and have always been drawn to its stance against not just the Novus Ordo but also Americanism and other anti-Catholic mindsets inherent in both the Novus Ordo and in many Traditional circles as well.  However, since my move out of the Novus Ordo, in addition to any 62 Missale issues I already had, much has happened in the Society that has not pleased me.  I think too much recognition was given to the merely MATERIAL advantages obtained for Tradition in 2007 and 2009, with the Motu Proprio and the “lifting” of the excommunications respectively.  My understanding is that these two conditions laid down by the Archbishop for the beginning of any agreement with Rome were made specifically because he believed that when they were done by Rome, it would signify a move back to Tradition. Obviously, neither of the two items represented this and the then Pope Benedict clearly stated as much both times.  But the Society represented to the world at the end of the 40th anniversary video in 2010 that the conditions had been met and I cannot believe for a second that the bishops and priests from the Society can actually believe that with a straight face, let alone the laity.  It makes no sense, Father.  Then, in 2012, there was the Doctrinal Preamble in June, and specifically number 7, which states that the new rites of the mass and sacraments were LEGITIMATELY promulgated by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.  Well, no they were not.  Legally?  That is debatable but I would say that the answer is yes.  Legitimately?  Absolutely not.  It is true that Archbishop Lefebvre did say that the aforesaid rites were promulgated, without the word “legitimately” being included, in May of 1988, but that is it.  His stance, which made the SSPX so necessary, was precisely the opposite.  “Bastard Mass”, if I recall, were his exact words.  The new mass is illegitimate as are the new sacraments, and that is all there is to it.

    So, while I do love the Society, I also have some big issues right now with its current direction, based upon a bad foundation.  More could be said but I think what I wrote above is enough.  Does this make me a “Resistance”priest?  No, although I do believe that their position is simply and substantially the old hardline SSPX stand, and I therefore do support them. 

    Oremus pro invicem,

    Father Sretenovic

    PS. As for my history, briefly, Ordained in 2002 for the Archdiocese of Newark, NJ.  Left late 2004, as alluded to in that recent thread, and joined Our Lady Help of Christians in early 2005, just before my 31st birthday.  Was there until mid 2019 when I took a step back because of things I did not agree with there on a personal and pastoral level.  While away, Monsignor Ruscitto died and I was asked to take over by some of his old parishioners, which I did officially on December 1st.  It took me forever to do the conditional Ordination for a variety of reasons, but I always did want to do it, even though I do think that it will be proven that I was a priest all along.  I believe that I did it at exactly the Providential moment.  No regrets. 
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    Re: Mass to be offered in Denver area - Fr. Stretenovic
    « Reply #6 on: March 04, 2020, 09:41:25 AM »
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    I think too much recognition was given to the merely MATERIAL advantages obtained for Tradition in 2007 and 2009, with the Motu Proprio and the “lifting” of the excommunications respectively.  My understanding is that these two conditions laid down by the Archbishop for the beginning of any agreement with Rome were made specifically because he believed that when they were done by Rome, it would signify a move back to Tradition. 
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    These two conditions weren't laid down by the Archbishop, but by Bishop Fellay after the 2000 Rome Pilgrimage.  

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    « Reply #7 on: March 04, 2020, 10:17:52 AM »
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  • Interesting.  I thought I had read otherwise but I may be wrong about that. Was that on the same video that I mentioned in my email?


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    « Reply #8 on: March 04, 2020, 11:03:23 AM »
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  • Interesting.  I thought I had read otherwise but I may be wrong about that. Was that on the same video that I mentioned in my email?
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    Do you mean this?:
    "But the Society represented to the world at the end of the 40th anniversary video in 2010 that the conditions had been met..."
    If so, I don't know if it was mentioned in that video. But my recollection of the sequence of events is after the August 2000 Pilgrimage to Rome and the meeting with Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos, Bishop Fellay began to speak more & more of the idea of a deal with NewRome.  And it was in this timeframe, ~2001, that Bp. Fellay started saying he wanted Rome to meet those pre-conditions, before they could then have any doctrinal discussions, and only after that (presuming they could even find any agreement in the discussions?) could they even start to consider any kind of agreement.  

    Given that the preconditions (Bp. Fellay had some other word for them, but I can't remember at this moment what it was; maybe "preambula"? )  included the admittance by NewRome that the "excommunications" were null (at least, early on, that's how it was articulated, but of course that morphed into the "lifting" wording over time), then this condition obviously would have to have been made after July 1988. But if you read anything by Archbishop Lefebvre from that time until his death, it is clear that he wasn't looking for any dealing with NewRome at all.  

    If I have time later, I will try to find the earliest mentions of these "preconditions" by Bp. Fellay.  But going by memory, the first time they were ever mentioned publicly was around the 2001 timeframe.  



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    « Reply #9 on: March 04, 2020, 12:10:27 PM »
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    If I have time later, I will try to find the earliest mentions of these "preconditions" by Bp. Fellay.  But going by memory, the first time they were ever mentioned publicly was around the 2001 timeframe.  
    I think you are correct, regarding when it was publicly mentioned, but as to when the idea of the preconditions originated, that was at the GREC meetings.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 04, 2020, 12:16:25 PM »
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  • Dear Father,
    Please pray for us here on Cathinfo.  Can you give us your blessing?
    May God bless you and keep you


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    « Reply #11 on: March 04, 2020, 12:33:26 PM »
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  • Thank you. While I do not know about giving a remote Blessing via the Internet, I will make your intentions and those of the website a part of my Rosary today and the primary secondary intention in my Mass this evening.  God bless!

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    Re: Mass to be offered in Denver area - Fr. Stretenovic
    « Reply #12 on: March 04, 2020, 02:13:49 PM »
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  • Father Sretenovic,  I don't mean to derail this thread but I can't pass up the opportunity to ask you a question

    IF the virus gets bad enough that churches are closed, would priests be able to hear confessions via the telephone?  Never in history has this scenario presented itself.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    « Reply #13 on: March 04, 2020, 02:22:51 PM »
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  • I do not believe so, no. The precedent against it would be when priests and missionaries have been sent to areas where there was an epidemic in order to minister to souls. Sooner or later, there was a good chance they were going to die, but they did their duty until they did. It becomes a question of Divine Providence.  What you are suggesting would be, to my knowledge, at best highly doubtful.  

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    « Reply #14 on: March 04, 2020, 05:13:35 PM »
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  • Some buildings have "whisper galleries" where high-frequency pitches typical of a whisper travel along the curve of the wall. An arch in Grand Central in NY does this for people separated 30 ft (10 m). Some other whisper walls let whispers travel over 100 ft.. An elliptical ceiling uses a different acoustic feature but also allows two people to talk over distance.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/whispering-gallery-grand-central

    According to the following article, the whisper effect was allegedly used for confessions of lepers in a church in Ireland.

    https://www.npr.org/transcripts/274717997