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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers => Topic started by: OABrownson1876 on June 09, 2023, 10:42:20 AM
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A friend of mine is converting from Protestantism to traditional Catholicism. She took a history tour of the Cathedral of the Assumption in Louisville, Ky., built in 1852. Here is a picture of the Masonic, phallic-looking tabernacle, which is off to the side of the "Main altar." The new bishop of Louisville has as his crest the six-pointed star. We goy should be mightily proud! An enemy hath done this!
The modernists apparently found this painting of the Blessed Virgin on the ceiling after removing some leafing or some type of covering.
(https://i.imgur.com/bbrfOtz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/funuDYs.jpg)
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That is NOT in any way a tabernacle intended to be phallic-shaped!
:facepalm:
It is, rather, a poor attempt to present a Gothic Sakramentshaus, or medieval sacrament tower. Here is a Romanesque one from Cologne in Germany:
(https://i.imgur.com/lNmIAk5.jpg)
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:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Some people ought to travel and read more before posting.
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Here is a picture of the Masonic, phallic-looking tabernacle, which is off to the side of the "Main altar."
Glad you said it and not me! Lol! Man, when you showed me this yesterday, I hesitated to say the same thing and didn't so I could zoom in on the top part to see if Our Mother was standing on top of it. From a distance, despite my initial reaction, I thought it might be an oversized tabernacle illustrating Our Lady's Assumption, and given the name of the Cathedral would counteract my unsavory perception of it. But She is not on there from what I can see. So I kept my big neophyte mouth closed. I'm over here dying laughing because you didn't mention your thoughts on what it looked like, so we were both likely waiting for the other to say it first. :laugh1:
OABrownson1876's knowledge of the Church's History, travels to Catholic sites, and the number of books he's read (and owns) farrrrrr exceeds mine. Between the two of us, I am the one who would have said it out of ignorance.
My point is that two people with different knowledge, experience, and understanding thought the same thing. It now appears there is an explanation for the shape of the tabernacle. But to say he ought to do more traveling and reading made me laugh only slightly less than my comment in the paragraph above.
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The Archbishop recently designated St Martin of Tours in Louisville a Diocese Shrine. Whether it was his intent or not, St Martin's now being a shrine instead of a parish protects the TLM prayed there from Francis' TC.
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The Archbishop recently designated St Martin of Tours in Louisville a Diocese Shrine. Whether it was his intent or not, St Martin's now being a shrine instead of a parish protects the TLM prayed there from Francis' TC.
Not sure what is meant by, "St Martin's protects the Latin Mass." The priest was there (St Martin's) yesterday dishing out Communion in the hand; people talking out loud; no head coverings, etc. St. Martin's is doing a good job of protecting the insanity inside the Church.
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Not sure what is meant by, "St Martin's protects the Latin Mass." The priest was there (St Martin's) yesterday dishing out Communion in the hand; people talking out loud; no head coverings, etc. St. Martin's is doing a good job of protecting the insanity inside the Church.
I didn't say St Martin's protects the TLM. I said what you quoted. The designation as a shrine, instead of a parish, places it outside of Francis' criteria per his TC.
Just curious... why were you at yesterday's NO ?
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I didn't say St Martin's protects the TLM. I said what you quoted. The designation as a shrine, instead of a parish, places it outside of Francis' criteria per his TC.
Just curious... why were you at yesterday's NO ?
HolyAngels, I never made the claim of having attended St. Martin of Tours. I simply said that the priest was "dishing out Communion in the hand" and you inferred from these words that I was there. Could it be that someone I knew was there and witnessed what I related in this thread? That is indeed the case. In fact, I cannot remember the last time I attended the sacrilegious New Mass, but I am sure Almighty God will refresh my memory at the time of my Particular Judgment.
As to my OP, any Catholic with a modicuм of common sense, having his sensus Catholicus, must see and comprehend that what is pictured is grotesque and unbecoming of Catholic art. Even the lamb on the front on the tabernacle, being pierced through his groin area by the upside down cross, is unbecoming. The entire "artistic" structure seems to us, a sharp, middle finger, an obelisk-like structure, a phallus, pointing straight at God, mocking his face. And we bet that if the author of the statue were known, and the bishop who gave his approbation were discovered, then the point would be easily proven. We ought not be surprised when we see these things in the churches run by modernists.
Did not the late Dr. Bella Dodd, a famous Catholic convert, and high-ranking ex-communist and lawyer, inform us many years ago, in her autobiography, School of Darkness (1954), that she had personally trained hundreds of Catholic men to enter the seminaries, schooled in the precepts of communism?
Yes, the churches have been filled with masonic ideas, masonic statuary, masonic slogans, and masonic-loving priests and laity. In fact, about ten years ago in Louisville a very prominent Catholic politician was given a NO funeral mass, despite the fact that his obituary labelled him as a proud 32-degree freemason. When the archdiocese was questioned about this scandal, I was given the pathetic excuse that "we Americans look upon Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ a little differently than the Europeans do."
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When you mentioned the new bishop, I just immediately thought of the diocese shrine thing.
The inverted cross under the lamb is suspect, I agree.
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That is not an inverted cross and neither is the cross piercing through the lamb. It looks like the lamb was superimposed on a cross laid on the ground. An inverted cross would be that of the cross of St. Peter. :facepalm:
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That is not an inverted cross and neither is the cross piercing through the lamb. It looks like the lamb was superimposed on a cross laid on the ground. An inverted cross would be that of the cross of St. Peter. :facepalm:
Can you give us any examples from antiquity of such "slain lamb" symbolism and tabernacles in monolithic form?
I found some antiques from Russia that were made of silver, but they were clearly Catholic.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Frussian-antique.com%2Fimage%2FFaberge-Silver%2FRussian-Silver-Tabernacles%2F1201-17-.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=a124fe722f73c08788bc337e609f66ca7686e32bf7b7e4e5c7b0a3b7a3e77f4c&ipo=images)
Since Louisville has a heavy German immigration history, I supposed this was a German antique tabernacle? It wasn't ornate enough to be French.
But is there a possibility it's a masonic antique? That's all we'd like to debate.
BTW, since Louisville, KY is a certified "Jєω-town", friendly to BLM and Antifa,
we are prepared for anything? :laugh1:
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Well, I must say that I don’t like it … either this one or the one from Cologne. Looks kindof dumb. But de gustibus non disputandum …. To me it seems to draw the eyes above where the focus should be.
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Well, I must say that I don’t like it … either this one or the one from Cologne. Looks kindof dumb. But de gustibus non disputandum …. To me it seems to draw the eyes above where the focus should be.
One would expect a Cross as the top adornment of such a tabernacle shape,
but this adornment is unfamiliar? Any ideas of what it my symbolize?
(https://i.imgur.com/htahQbU.png)
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@OABrownson1876
Pope St Pius X used a six point star as well. An early Christian symbol.
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Can you give us any examples from antiquity of such "slain lamb" symbolism and tabernacles in monolithic form?
I found some antiques from Russia that were made of silver, but they were clearly Catholic.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Frussian-antique.com%2Fimage%2FFaberge-Silver%2FRussian-Silver-Tabernacles%2F1201-17-.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=a124fe722f73c08788bc337e609f66ca7686e32bf7b7e4e5c7b0a3b7a3e77f4c&ipo=images)
Since Louisville has a heavy German immigration history, I supposed this was a German antique tabernacle? It wasn't ornate enough to be French.
But is there a possibility it's a masonic antique? That's all we'd like to debate.
BTW, since Louisville, KY is a certified "Jєω-town", friendly to BLM and Antifa,
we are prepared for anything? :laugh1:
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/PX5JK8/notre-dame-de-bellecombe-church-lamp-of-god-agnus-dei-notre-dame-de-bellecombe-france-PX5JK8.jpg)
(https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1257024484/photo/dei-agnus-tabernacle-st-bruno-the-carthusian-church-lyon-rhone-auvergne-rh%C3%B4ne-alpes-france.jpg?s=2048x2048&w=is&k=20&c=VPrde0zdeucuPcLDk2r7dnjAVBewvxGVWgLfLeUyp44=)
(https://stmaryoldtown.org/wp-content/uploads/lamb-of-god-225.png)
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As to my OP, any Catholic with a modicuм of common sense, having his sensus Catholicus, must see and comprehend that what is pictured is grotesque and unbecoming of Catholic art....
....The entire "artistic" structure seems to us, a sharp, middle finger, an obelisk-like structure, a phallus, pointing straight at God, mocking his face. And we bet that if the author of the statue were known, and the bishop who gave his approbation were discovered, then the point would be easily proven. We ought not be surprised when we see these things in the churches run by modernists.
While I personally don't like the tabernacle posted by the OP, there really is nothing phallic, obelisk-like, freemasonic or "middle finger-like" about the overall shape at all. Basically, it is an awkward attempt to incorporate a tabernacle into the classic shape of a Gothic-style architectural pinnacle. They often have knobby carvings around the edges, and are typically topped with a floral-like ornament at the top. Pinnacles are a conventional feature of Gothic architecture, and their purpose is to lead the eye upwards towards Heaven and higher things. In no way were the numerous tall spires, pinnacles, and towers of the Gothic style meant to be a mockery of God. A major ideal of Gothic architectural style is verticality, which leads the eye upwards, and pinnacles are part of that.
Trying to incorporate a tabernacle into the middle of a pinnacle might be a questionable artistic choice, but definitely not masonic. If anything, it looks like a misguided attempt to incorporate a more traditional architectural style.
See the comparison below with that tabernacle and Gothic pinnacles (this example from Kings College Cambridge, but there are plenty of other examples).
(https://i.imgur.com/uCtzR13.jpg)
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The piece of art, after giving it a second look, appears to be a giant candle with a tabernacle sandwiched in between. A friend of mine was told by one of the "higher ups" at the Cathedral that the brass tabernacle sandwiched in the middle is the original. That is certainly a falsehood. The fact that a collection of Catholics on a chat board must sit around and question what the thing is is proof of its odd, its abhorrent nature. I have seen churches in England, Ireland, Germany, Poland, Italy, Austria, and usually the question must not be asked, What the hell is it? My guess is that the marble was a former piece of the original marble altar, and someone in the spirit of "renovation" decided to sandwich a tabernacle in-between.
When I was in England, staring at the statue of Martin Luther King, Jr., on the façade of Westminster Abbey, I said to those about me, "Wow, look at that, there is a statue of a communist, a prostitute-beating, PhD-thesis-cheating, individual, right there on the face of Westminster Abbey."
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When I was in England, staring at the statue of Martin Luther King, Jr., on the façade of Westminster Abbey, I said to those about me, "Wow, look at that, there is a statue of a communist, a prostitute-beating, PhD-thesis-cheating, individual, right there on the face of Westminster Abbey."
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I have read that only rabid anti-Catholic Protestants gave perverse meanings to Gothic architecture. Entrance to Gothic cathedrals supposedly resembles female genitalia while the spires are supposedly phallic symbols. :facepalm:
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@OABrownson1876
Pope St Pius X used a six point star as well. An early Christian symbol.
Good point.
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Good point.
Sorry, but the six-sided star is Babylonian, it is the Star of Remphan.
It is not a Christian symbol.
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It is mentioned in the Book of Amos and is prominent in the account of St. Stephen's martyrdom, where he admonished the jews for "worshiping the star".
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It is mentioned in the Book of Amos and is prominent in the account of St. Stephen's martyrdom, where he admonished the Jєωs for "worshiping the star".
When did Catholics started worshipping stars? As far as I know the stars are only for decoration.
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Good point.
Pic on Pope using that.symbol?
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When did Catholics started worshipping stars? As far as I know the stars are only for decoration.
Catholics.dont worship stars... If you meant jews, probably due to falling into idolatry over and over.