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Offline Matthew

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Re: Marriage vows and domestic abuse
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2022, 02:53:06 AM »
Quote from: josefamenendez 7/17/2022, 6:49:45 PM
Yikes!! I thought that is why we adjure to the Church so we do not have to wrestle with personal subjectivism, scrupulosity or laxity. Isn't that why we go to the Church*- what is bound on Earth shall be bound in Heaven?  I realize we are in a crisis and we may not have acceptable authoritative direction, but should we lean unto our own understanding about this?

(*PS-I am talking about legitimate Trad priests)


Yes, and a parent SHOULD be able to trust his private school teachers, at a Trad Catholic school, to take care of educating their children. But that doesn't change the fact that the PRIMARY responsibility of educating children rests and remains with the parents. 

The only way to insulate yourself -- and your salvation -- against a bad or lax priest is to firstly consider what God wants. Read the lives of the saints. It's not rocket science. Err on the side of caution. Err on the side of goodness, charity, generosity, and you'll NEVER regret it.

And yes you certainly know deep down in your heart if your marriage was valid or not. You were there. You knew your spouse on your wedding day. You knew if he had all his faculties, sufficient to make the wedding vows (and confer the Sacrament upon you -- the couple confer this Sacrament on each other). And you knew if he was putting himself out under a fake identity or not. You know very well how much violence or coercion was being exerted upon the spouses on their wedding day. There aren't many loopholes for invalidating a marriage, and most of those are closed by the routine "marriage preparation", even of the most basic variety.

Re: Marriage vows and domestic abuse
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2022, 09:11:52 AM »
Several years ago I was acquainted with a family whose eldest son had manic/depressive episodes. He struck a former girlfriend as well as stealing her car and did 8 months in jail for it. When he married his family was so relieved to get him off their hands. I hope that bride was told about his mental issues but I don't think she was. The poor girl may have grounds for an annulment. That's an extreme case which doesn't apply to most annulment petitions. 


Re: Marriage vows and domestic abuse
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2022, 09:46:00 AM »
Several years ago I was acquainted with a family whose eldest son had manic/depressive episodes. He struck a former girlfriend as well as stealing her car and did 8 months in jail for it. When he married his family was so relieved to get him off their hands. I hope that bride was told about his mental issues but I don't think she was. The poor girl may have grounds for an annulment. That's an extreme case which doesn't apply to most annulment petitions.
I really hope she's still alive. Because people like that eldest son are the type who would kill their spouses.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Marriage vows and domestic abuse
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2022, 09:53:01 AM »

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As I have said several times: i am no theologian.  talk to a traditional priest you trust.
Epiphany, you need to take your own advice and stop posting about this topic.  Your understanding of annulments isn't Traditional at all and you are potentially giving bad advice/scandal to those that are also uneducated.

Re: Marriage vows and domestic abuse
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2022, 01:33:53 PM »
Epiphany, you need to take your own advice and stop posting about this topic.  Your understanding of annulments isn't Traditional at all and you are potentially giving bad advice/scandal to those that are also uneducated.
I have, pax, and to a bishop. They all educated me the same way.