Author Topic: Maronite Liturgy (Read 2908 times)

7sorrowsbvm · « **on:** March 11, 2014, 08:09:03 AM »

We heard a lot about the Maronites and checked them out ourselves. Does anyone have any specifics on the ordinations and Mass (Mystery of the Eucharist)?

BTNYC · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2014, 09:00:23 AM »

Yes.

Table Altar. Versus Populum. Altar girls. Lectresses.

It's the least traditional of the eastern rites.

Frances · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2014, 09:30:32 AM »

Quote from: BTNYC

Yes.

Table Altar. Versus Populum. Altar girls. Lectresses.

It's the least traditional of the eastern rites.

In NYC area, all true. In other places, ie, Cleveland, Ohio, is much more traditional. I've seen facing people, but not the other things. A Maronite priest gave my uncle last rites when the novus ordo parish refused.

BTNYC · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2014, 07:57:35 PM »

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Quote from: BTNYC
Yes.

Table Altar. Versus Populum. Altar girls. Lectresses.

It's the least traditional of the eastern rites.

In NYC area, all true. In other places, ie, Cleveland, Ohio, is much more traditional. I've seen facing people, but not the other things. A Maronite priest gave my uncle last rites when the novus ordo parish refused.

I take it, then, Frances, that you've also been to Our Lady of Lebanon in Brooklyn?

That's the only Maronite Church I've ever been to... I wasn't aware that the Novus Ordisms I witnessed were unique to this area. But what a shame, anyway... Their Liturgical language is Aramaic. They seem to be aware of how wonderful a thing it is that they have preserved the very language Our Lord spoke daily as their Liturgical language... How that awareness does not translate into a rejection of the NO novelties they've adopted is beyond me.

There was an elderly priest there named Msgr. Sadek who was, as I recall, quite kind and pious and always orthodox in his sermons. I also met Bishop Mansour there a few times, but he seemed as reluctant to have his ring kissed as any Novus Ordo bishop I've ever met.

In any case, I stopped going there when I discovered Resurrection Coptic Catholic Church a few blocks away on 14th St. Very beautiful, very traditional (and very long) Liturgy. Probably the most beautiful Rite of Mass I've ever experienced outside of that Traditional Latin Rite.

poche · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2014, 10:34:01 PM »

This is the only eastern rite of the Catholic Church that does not have an orthodox schismatic counterpart.

7sorrowsbvm · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2014, 01:07:46 PM »

Thanks for posting.

At this site there are no girls on the altar, but the priest faces the people. I was told that all eastern rites have their altars out from the wall, so I am no sure how to gauge that.

Is it permissible to go ? Mandatory if the TLM is unavailable?

WE checked out their Mass book, and while the consecration is not affected, two prayers are from NO. Blessed John Paul II is mentioned in list of saints. We read their ordination, and while all reference to sacrifice is kept, one reference mentions the priesthood of all. What this means is anyone's guess since we don't have what these were originally. These things make us *feel* like not going, but to be home alone was never our choice. We want to be sure, though. Even though their rites may be unaffected, we are concerned about Conciliar ideas here.

Yes, we know about una cuм, but would prefer to focus on Maronite Liturgy here. If you are so inclined, please use another thread to discuss una cuм.

Thanks again.

BTNYC · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2014, 01:16:30 PM »

Quote from: 7sorrowsbvm

Thanks for posting.

At this site there are no girls on the altar, but the priest faces the people. I was told that all eastern rites have their altars out from the wall, so I am no sure how to gauge that.

Is it permissible to go ? Mandatory if the TLM is unavailable?

WE checked out their Mass book, and while the consecration is not affected, two prayers are from NO. Blessed John Paul II is mentioned in list of saints. We read their ordination, and while all reference to sacrifice is kept, one reference mentions the priesthood of all. What this means is anyone's guess since we don't have what these were originally. These things make us *feel* like not going, but to be home alone was never our choice. We want to be sure, though. Even though their rites may be unaffected, we are concerned about Conciliar ideas here.

Yes, we know about una cuм, but would prefer to focus on Maronite Liturgy here. If you are so inclined, please use another thread to discuss una cuм.

Thanks again.

If given my choice between Maronite Divine Liturgy and any other Eastern Rite Divine Liturgy, I would attend any other Eastern Divine Liturgy (And yes, they all have free standing Altars, but the priest is ad Orientem in all [non-Maronite] Eastern Liturgies).

Now, if my choice were between Novus Ordo and Maronite Divine Liturgy, I would attend the Maronite Divine Liturgy. At the very least, you will not have the outrages of laypeople distributing the Blessed Sacrament, or receipt of the Blessed Sacrament by hand (as the Priest distributes Holy Communion under both species via intinction).

Mabel · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2014, 01:33:26 PM »

Quote from: 7sorrowsbvm

Thanks for posting.

At this site there are no girls on the altar, but the priest faces the people. I was told that all eastern rites have their altars out from the wall, so I am no sure how to gauge that.

Is it permissible to go ? Mandatory if the TLM is unavailable?

WE checked out their Mass book, and while the consecration is not affected, two prayers are from NO. Blessed John Paul II is mentioned in list of saints. We read their ordination, and while all reference to sacrifice is kept, one reference mentions the priesthood of all. What this means is anyone's guess since we don't have what these were originally. These things make us *feel* like not going, but to be home alone was never our choice. We want to be sure, though. Even though their rites may be unaffected, we are concerned about Conciliar ideas here.

Yes, we know about una cuм, but would prefer to focus on Maronite Liturgy here. If you are so inclined, please use another thread to discuss una cuм.

Thanks again.

You sound like you will be taking a family. Might I suggest sending one adult at a time for a few weeks to go and observe? It would be easier than walking out with children in tow, believe me, because I have done this.

Sigismund · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2014, 07:06:07 PM »

Quote from: 7sorrowsbvm

Thanks for posting.

At this site there are no girls on the altar, but the priest faces the people. I was told that all eastern rites have their altars out from the wall, so I am no sure how to gauge that.

Is it permissible to go ? Mandatory if the TLM is unavailable?

WE checked out their Mass book, and while the consecration is not affected, two prayers are from NO. Blessed John Paul II is mentioned in list of saints. We read their ordination, and while all reference to sacrifice is kept, one reference mentions the priesthood of all. What this means is anyone's guess since we don't have what these were originally. These things make us *feel* like not going, but to be home alone was never our choice. We want to be sure, though. Even though their rites may be unaffected, we are concerned about Conciliar ideas here.

Yes, we know about una cuм, but would prefer to focus on Maronite Liturgy here. If you are so inclined, please use another thread to discuss una cuм.

Thanks again.

Eastern Churches do have altars that ate in the center (more or less of the altar area, but the celebration still should be eastward. It is too bad that the Maronites have in some measure abandoned this.