I don't know how I missed this thread. But recently I have begun to doubt the Great Monarch -- am even worried that he is actually going to be Antichrist.

The parallels were always obvious: the total domination of the Monarch, his alleged "extermination" of heretics ( which clearly does not sound right and sounds like heaven on earth ) the fact he dies on a holy mountain, according to one prophecy, like Antichrist who tries to ascend from a mountain before being cast down into the earth in an earthquake... There is a clear similarity between the dynamic duo of Angelic Pastor / Monarch and False Prophet / Antichrist. I always brushed it away as the devil aping God. What if, however, the two pairs are really one and the same?

What makes this even more complex, is that some of these prophecies may be faked, in an attempt to discredit the Great Monarch, if he is real...

What I can say, for now, is the Yves Dupont book is a complete crock. And I think what is also a crock, is this notion that the Great Monarch prophecies stretch back forever in the Church. Dupont not only quotes the likes of Nostradamus as well as other mystery figures like "The Peasant Jasper," but he takes certain quotes out of context, while others are mere padding that say something like "... a king of the lilies" and could refer to any French king. Just go and do research on some of his quotes, you'll see what I mean. His quotes from St. Bridget are from a "prophecy" that was dug up in the 19th century, and could so easily be a forgery; and he doesn't even quote that right, since it talks about a Spanish king, not French, which he excises with an ellipsis ("...") I have no hesitation in saying, that his book is complete junk. And I don't believe for a second, that St. Augustine, St. Bernard, St. Francis, had ever heard of a future Great world-dominating Monarch.

References to Antichrist abound in well-established books of saints. Isn't it interesting that this Great Monarch figure, which if it is true, is very significant, does not appear in ONE single well-established and famous book?

All of this just hit me the other day, and it astonishes me I didn't see it before, considering I have been gifted with such a critical and perceptive eye. It just goes to show that where your personal interests and fantasies are concerned, you go blind. Only humility can help us survive the tricks.

So I was and am very much in doubt about the Monarch. Then I realized that, if there is a Great Monarch, the devil would certainly try to interject his false prophecies to stop him. Joan of Arc, if you read about her life, only had a few vague prophecies to go on, doing what she did. Instantly it struck me that this all hinges on the prophecies of Marie-Julie Jahenny.

Well, speaking French as I do, I went on various websites and combed over these numerous prophecies. I can say this about them; they are extremely geared to people like me, to the point that I feel like, with the mindset of a modern-day sedevacantist royalist with a good imagination, I could have written them myself. It is like she -- or the devil or God or the forger inspired by the devil -- saw right into my head. So the French poster who talks about people going mad, I can see how that would happen. The funny thing, though, is I was planning to move to Brittany before I ever knew she was from there or that she allegedly said anything about the Great Monarch... That kind of makes me wonder...

But as the poster from Un évêque s'est levé says ( by the way, I am totally unfamiliar with this website or its affiliations, the title strangely means "A Bishop Raises Himself Up" ), these prophecies cannot be traced back before the 70's, which is when you suddenly got a flood of the Monarch prophecies from "her." We know who wrote down the prophecies of Anne-Catherine Emmerich -- alas, it was Brentano -- but who wrote down the prophecies of Marie-Julie Jahenny? Wasn't she basically illiterate? Is there anyone who has ANY proof that these prophecies existed before Vatican II?

Thank you for your contribution.

Find one Catholic commentator who thinks that the "Gospel being preached to all nations" refers to some singular event where, all at once, everyone hears the truth. You threw your own idea in there, the "era of peace." It already has been preached to all nations.

Heh. I'm actually not too fussed about the Great Monarch, I just think your continued speculations about this topic sorely lack the necessary foundation in Catholic tradition they require. I'm talking about, for instance, an excellent book by Fr.Charles Armidjon, recommended to me by some members of this forum to whom I am grateful, which was praised by St.Therese and written just over a century ago. There are several passages in the prophets and the Apocalypse where such an universal and temporal reign of peace is spoken of and the author, after a detailed study of both sacred Scripture and patristic commentary, gives this as his opinion too.

These texts are explicit and precise. It is clear from their testimony that there will come a time when all heresies and schisms will be overcome, and when the true religion will be known and practiced in all places illuminated by the sun.

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All of this just hit me the other day, and it astonishes me I didn't see it before, considering I have been gifted with such a critical and perceptive eye. It just goes to show that where your personal interests and fantasies are concerned, you go blind. Only humility can help us survive the tricks.

So I was and am very much in doubt about the Monarch. Then I realized that, if there is a Great Monarch, the devil would certainly try to interject his false prophecies to stop him. Joan of Arc, if you read about her life, only had a few vague prophecies to go on, doing what she did. Instantly it struck me that this all hinges on the prophecies of Marie-Julie Jahenny.

Well, speaking French as I do, I went on various websites and combed over these numerous prophecies. I can say this about them; they are extremely geared to people like me, to the point that I feel like, with the mindset of a modern-day sedevacantist royalist with a good imagination, I could have written them myself. It is like she -- or the devil or God or the forger inspired by the devil -- saw right into my head. So the French poster who talks about people going mad, I can see how that would happen. The funny thing, though, is I was planning to move to Brittany before I ever knew she was from there or that she allegedly said anything about the Great Monarch... That kind of makes me wonder...

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Guitarplucker, that is why I said that, due to my own personal interest, my fantasy of going to France and helping in the great Restoration of the Church, I was blinded. I overlooked the overt shoddiness of his methods, only seeing what I wanted to see. Yeah, I saw that it was wrong to quote Nostradamus, and I could see some other quotes looked to be taken out of context, but this did not lead me to investigate the quotes that appeared more convincing.

My point was not that I am a great genius, despite Tele's nitpicky boldface trying to catch me in a moment of pride. The point is that, if I have any gift from God, it is that of discernment of spirits, but I was STILL fooled because of personal interest, by which I wanted to put people on guard against themselves.

Thanks for the reminder, Nishant, someone else recently mentioned that book and its high praise by St. Therese. You are right, there may be an age of peace, but it wouldn't necessarily have anything to do with the Great Monarch, who I gather is not mentioned in that book. There are all kinds of scenarios opening up in my mind now, that were not there before. For instance, there may be a relatively small restored Church and a true Pope, and then the Angelic Pastor and Monarch will be impostors who will overthrow it by filling peoples' heads with delusions of grandeur. The "Angelic Pastor" may start a schism against a true Pope, having greater charisma...

Or Father Charles Arminjon is wrong, and was duped like I was, and we will go straight from the Chastisement to Antichrist. Or maybe just straight to Antichrist. What we do know is the Antichrist follows the Apostasy, so it could be any day now.

My next task is to research the Minor Chastisement, and the Age of Peace, and see if these are any more credible than the Monarch prophecies -- which I once thought were credible too.

It is not "Catholic tradition" that an age of peace will precede Antichrist, anymore than the Great Monarch -- which is looking pretty dubious -- is Catholic tradition.

If I was given to private interpretation, I'd say there are prophecies in both Daniel and the Apocalypse that could at least conceivably refer to a great human prince other than Our Lord.

But Raoul, the rule of faith for Catholics is not private interpretation of prophecy, which St.Peter in any case condemns, but study of Scripture as illuminated by the commentary of the holy Fathers. That's why I'd recommend that book in particular, and others like it primarily, rather than, or at any rate before, any study of prophecies of the Saints.