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Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
« on: February 03, 2024, 05:42:14 AM »
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    A Lenten Message on Fast and Abstinence
    Sexagesima Sunday, 1982

    My dear brethren:
    According to an ancient and salutary tradition in the Church, on the occasion of the beginning of Lent, I address these words to you in order to encourage you to enter into this penitential season wholeheartedly, with the dispositions willed by the Church and to accomplish the purpose for which the Church prescribes it.
    If I look in books dating from the early part of this century, I find that they indicate three purposes for which the Church has prescribed this penitential time:
    • first, in order to curb the concupiscence of the flesh;
    • then, to facilitate the elevation of our souls toward divine realities;
    • finally, to satisfy for our sins.
    Our Lord gave us the example during His life, here on earth: pray and do penance. However, Our Lord, not having concupiscence nor sin did penance and made satisfaction for our sins, thus showing us that our penance may be beneficial not only for ourselves but also for others.
    Pray and do penance. Do penance in order to pray better, in order to draw closer to Almighty God. This is what all the saints have done, this is that of which all the messages of the Blessed Virgin remind us.
    Would we dare to say that this necessity is less important in our day and age than in former times? On the contrary, we can and we must affirm that today, more than ever before, prayer and penance are necessary because everything possible has been done to diminish and despise these two fundamental elements of Christian life.
    Never before has the world sought to satisfy, without any limit, the disordered instincts of the flesh—even to the point of the murder of millions of innocent, unborn children. One would come to believe that society has no other reason for existence except to give the greatest material standard of living to all men in order that they avoid any privation of material goods.
    Thus we see that such a society would be opposed to that which the Church prescribes. In these times, when even Churchmen align themselves with the spirit of the world, we witness the disappearance of prayer and penance—particularly in their character of reparation for sins and of obtaining pardon for faults. Few there are today who love to recite Psalm 50, the Miserere, and who say with the psalmist, "Peccatum meum contra me est semper—my sin is always before me." How can a Christian remove the thought of sin if the image of the crucifix is always before his eyes?
    At the Council, the bishops requested such a diminution of fast and abstinence that these prescriptions have practically disappeared. We must recognize the fact that this disappearance is a consequence of the ecuмenical and protestant spirit which denies the necessity of our participation for the application of the merits of Our Lord to each one of us for the remission of our sins and the restoration of our divine affiliation [i.e., character as adoptive sons of God].
    In the past the commandments of the Church provided for:
    • an obligatory fast on all days of Lent with the exception of Sundays, for the three ember days, and for many vigils;
    • abstinence was for all Fridays of the year, the Saturdays of Lent, and, in numerous dioceses, all the Saturdays of the year.
    What remains today of these prescriptions?
    • the fast for Ash Wednesday and Good Friday, 
    • abstinence for Ash Wednesday and the Fridays of Lent. [Note: the present law in New Zealand does not oblige on Friday in Lent]
    One wonders at the motives for such a drastic diminution.
    Who are obliged to observe the fast?
    Adults from age 21 to 60. [Note: the present law is 18-60]
    And who are obliged to observe abstinence?
    All faithful from the age of 7 years. [Note: the present law is 14]
    What does the fast mean?
    To fast means to take only one (full) meal a day to which one may add two collations (or small meals) one in the morning, one in the evening which, when combined do not equal a full meal.
    What is meant by abstinence?
    By abstinence is meant that one abstains from meat.
    The Archbishop Continues
    The faithful who have a true spirit of faith and who profoundly understand the motives of the Church which have been mentioned above, will wholeheartedly accomplish not only the light prescriptions of today but, entering into the spirit of Our Lord and of the Blessed Virgin Mary, will endeavor to make reparation for the sins which they have committed and for the sins of their family, their neighbors, friends and fellow citizens.
    It is for this reason that they will add to the actual prescriptions, be it the fast for all Fridays of Lent, or abstinence from all alcoholic beverages or abstinence from television, or other similar sacrifices. They will make an effort to pray more, to assist more frequently at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, to recite the Rosary and not to miss evening prayers with the family. They will detach themselves from their superfluous material goods in order to aid the seminaries, help establish schools, help their priests adequately furnish the chapels and to help establish novitiates for nuns and brothers.
    The prescriptions of the Church do not concern fast and abstinence alone but the obligation of the Paschal Communion [Easter Duty] as well.
    Here is what the Vicar of the Diocese of Sion, in Switzerland, recommended to the faithful of that diocese on 20 February 1919:
    • During Lent, the pastors will have the Stations of the Cross twice a week; one day for the children of the schools and another day for the other parishioners. After the Stations of the Cross, they will recite the Litany of the Sacred Heart.
    • During Passion Week, which is to say, the week before Palm Sunday, there will be a Triduum in all parish churches. Instruction—Litany of the Sacred Heart in the Presence of the Blessed Sacrament—Benediction. In these instructions the pastors will simply and clearly remind their parishioners of the principal conditions to receive the Sacrament of Penance worthily.
    • The time during which one may fulfill the Easter Duty has been set for all parishes from Passion Sunday to the first Sunday after Easter.
    Why are these directives no longer useful today?
    Let us profit from this salutary time during the course of which Our Lord is accustomed to dispense grace abundantly. Let us not imitate the foolish virgins who having no oil in their lamps found the door of the bridegroom's house closed and this terrible response: "nescio vos"—"I know thee not." Blessed are they who have the spirit of poverty, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. The spirit of poverty means the spirit of detachment from things of this world.
    Blessed are they who weep, for they shall be consoled. Let us think of Jesus in the Garden of Olives who wept for our sins. It is henceforth for us to weep for our sins and for those of our brethren.
    Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for holiness, for they shall be satisfied. Holiness—sanctity is attained by means of the Cross, penance and sacrifice. If we truly seek perfection then we must follow the Way of the Cross.
    May we, during this Lenten Season, hear the call of Jesus and Mary and engage ourselves to follow them in this crusade of prayer and penance!
    May our prayers, our supplications, and our sacrifices obtain from heaven (the grace) that those in places of responsibility in the Church return to Her true and holy Traditions which is the only solution to revive and reflourish the institutions of the Church again.
    Let us love to recite this, the conclusion of the Te Deum: In te Domine speravi, non confundar in aeternum— "ln Thee, O Lord, I have hoped. I will not be confounded in eternity.":
    + Marcel Lefebvre
    Sexagesima Sunday
     14 February 1982
    Rickenbach, Switzerland


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    Re: Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
    « Reply #1 on: February 03, 2024, 02:11:46 PM »
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    Who are obliged to observe the fast?
    Adults from age 21 to 60. [Note: the present law is 18-60]
    And who are obliged to observe abstinence?
    All faithful from the age of 7 years. [Note: the present law is 14]

    So, did the "law" "change" since +Lefebvre gave this talk or is it neo-SSPX editorializing to legitimize the current NO rules?  Seems to me as though +Lefebvre didn't recognize the NO changes, while neo-SSPX does ... a clear case of where they've rejected +Lefebvre's attitudes.

    Actually, the fasting law is 18 - 59 (inclusive), with the obligation ceasing on one's 60th birthday.


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    Re: Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
    « Reply #2 on: February 03, 2024, 02:46:45 PM »
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  • Actually, the fasting law is 18 - 59 (inclusive), with the obligation ceasing on one's 60th birthday.
    My missals read:

    "Fasting:  All Catholics from the COMPLETION of their twenty-first to the BEGINNING of their sixtieth year are bound to observe the Law of Fast."

    So that would be from your 21st birthday to you 59th birthday when you enter into your 60th year.
    That was what we always went by.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
    « Reply #3 on: February 03, 2024, 04:32:01 PM »
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  • My missals read:

    "Fasting:  All Catholics from the COMPLETION of their twenty-first to the BEGINNING of their sixtieth year are bound to observe the Law of Fast."

    So that would be from your 21st birthday to you 59th birthday when you enter into your 60th year.
    That was what we always went by.

    Yes, you're right.  I mis-spoke, and then mis-typed 21 (thinking of the mixture of +Lefebvre and the SSPX editor).  It goes until the 60th year had "begun", which would be on your 59th birthday.  In any case, you complete your first year on your first birthday, etc. until you complete your 59th year on your 59th birthday, at which time your 60th year has begun and you're no longer bound by fasting laws.  But this is often misunderstood and even in some cases mistranslated until you turn 60, or even that it applies to 60 year olds even.

    In the US, if someone asks me how old I am, I would say 55, but in the European mentality, as my Father would answer the question, it would be that I'm 56, or in my 56th year.  That may be why Archbishop Lefebvre said 21-60, with the European way of counting "60".  Of course, the main point is that SSPX here added the editorial note that the law had been changed to 18-60.  It's interesting that here the NO made a law "stricter" .. if you don't forget that the NO also reduced the number of fast days to TWO.  With only TWO fast days the entire year, there could never be any kind of age-related reason not to at least do those two days.

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    Re: Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
    « Reply #4 on: February 03, 2024, 10:23:55 PM »
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  • So, did the "law" "change" since +Lefebvre gave this talk or is it neo-SSPX editorializing to legitimize the current NO rules?  Seems to me as though +Lefebvre didn't recognize the NO changes, while neo-SSPX does ... a clear case of where they've rejected +Lefebvre's attitudes.
    I don't believe this is a 'neo-SSPX' issue.

    The New Code of Canon Law was introduced the year after this letter of the Archbishop. That may account for the changes at least in some parts of the world. In my experience, the Archbishop and the Society always accepted the changes in fasting and abstinence, though always encouraging the faithful to maintain the traditional practices. The changes have always been considered unfortunate, but I have never heard them called 'illegitimate' in the Society. Rather, I do recall the Archbishop saying to his priests to be careful not to create mortal sins where they do not exist in relation to this matter.


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    Re: Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
    « Reply #5 on: February 04, 2024, 05:17:48 AM »
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  • I don't believe this is a 'neo-SSPX' issue.

    The New Code of Canon Law was introduced the year after this letter of the Archbishop. That may account for the changes at least in some parts of the world. In my experience, the Archbishop and the Society always accepted the changes in fasting and abstinence, though always encouraging the faithful to maintain the traditional practices. The changes have always been considered unfortunate, but I have never heard them called 'illegitimate' in the Society. Rather, I do recall the Archbishop saying to his priests to be careful not to create mortal sins where they do not exist in relation to this matter.
    Yes, this is exactly my experience. Every year this (bolded) is repeated from the pulpit, including this year.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
    « Reply #6 on: March 07, 2024, 08:05:30 PM »
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  • Plenus Venter, I don't share your opinion of Archbishop Lefebvre's judgment of the 1983 Code of Canon Law. These are direct quotes from Archbishop Lefebvre on the matter:
    "The reform of the Code of Canon Law is only the fourth act of the effects of ecuмenism in Vatican II. It is in a way, the last book that remained to be changed to bring Canon Law in line with the Council, and I could quote the Pope's own speeches, which can be found in Catholic docuмentation. The new Code of Canon Law is, says the Pope, nothing other than an effort to put the ecclesiology of Vatican II into canonical language. [...]
    So what are we to make of this? Well, THIS CANON LAW IS UNACCEPTABLE."
    (Conference in Ecône, 14/03/1983).

    Extract of a letter to the Pope, dated 21/11/1983: "We raise this cry of alarm, made all the more vehement by the errors od the New Canon Law, not to say heresies [...]."

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    Re: Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
    « Reply #7 on: March 07, 2024, 09:10:55 PM »
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  • I don't believe this is a 'neo-SSPX' issue.

    The New Code of Canon Law was introduced the year after this letter of the Archbishop. That may account for the changes at least in some parts of the world. In my experience, the Archbishop and the Society always accepted the changes in fasting and abstinence, though always encouraging the faithful to maintain the traditional practices. The changes have always been considered unfortunate, but I have never heard them called 'illegitimate' in the Society. Rather, I do recall the Archbishop saying to his priests to be careful not to create mortal sins where they do not exist in relation to this matter.
    Plenus Venter, I don't share your opinion of Archbishop Lefebvre's judgment of the 1983 Code of Canon Law. These are direct quotes from Archbishop Lefebvre on the matter:
    "The reform of the Code of Canon Law is only the fourth act of the effects of ecuмenism in Vatican II. It is in a way, the last book that remained to be changed to bring Canon Law in line with the Council, and I could quote the Pope's own speeches, which can be found in Catholic docuмentation. The new Code of Canon Law is, says the Pope, nothing other than an effort to put the ecclesiology of Vatican II into canonical language. [...]
    So what are we to make of this? Well, THIS CANON LAW IS UNACCEPTABLE."
    (Conference in Ecône, 14/03/1983).

    Extract of a letter to the Pope, dated 21/11/1983: "We raise this cry of alarm, made all the more vehement by the errors od the New Canon Law, not to say heresies [...]."


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    Re: Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
    « Reply #8 on: March 08, 2024, 06:22:50 AM »
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  • Plenus Venter, I don't share your opinion of Archbishop Lefebvre's judgment of the 1983 Code of Canon Law. These are direct quotes from Archbishop Lefebvre on the matter:
    "The reform of the Code of Canon Law is only the fourth act of the effects of ecuмenism in Vatican II. It is in a way, the last book that remained to be changed to bring Canon Law in line with the Council, and I could quote the Pope's own speeches, which can be found in Catholic docuмentation. The new Code of Canon Law is, says the Pope, nothing other than an effort to put the ecclesiology of Vatican II into canonical language. [...]
    So what are we to make of this? Well, THIS CANON LAW IS UNACCEPTABLE."
    (Conference in Ecône, 14/03/1983).

    Extract of a letter to the Pope, dated 21/11/1983: "We raise this cry of alarm, made all the more vehement by the errors od the New Canon Law, not to say heresies [...]."
    Thanks Dominique. I am well aware of Archbishop Lefebvre's opinion of the New Code. Yet I recall him clearly making this point about the laws on fasting and abstinence. I have been with the SSPX since 1982 and yet I have never known it to ever take the position that we are bound to the old laws of fast and abstinence under pain of sin. If you can produce any evidence to the contrary I would love to see it. Yet I am certain you will not be able to... I know the Society well!

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    Re: Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
    « Reply #9 on: March 08, 2024, 07:41:09 PM »
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  • Thanks Dominique. I am well aware of Archbishop Lefebvre's opinion of the New Code. Yet I recall him clearly making this point about the laws on fasting and abstinence. I have been with the SSPX since 1982 and yet I have never known it to ever take the position that we are bound to the old laws of fast and abstinence under pain of sin. If you can produce any evidence to the contrary I would love to see it. Yet I am certain you will not be able to... I know the Society well!
    I don't like throwing dates around as a proof of integrity, but since you started... 😉 I had been with the SSPX since 1981 and I have attended SSPX schools in Europe for all my school years save a couple... 
    What I disagree with is not the fact that the Archbishop didn't compromise with the 1983 Code, but I think it is important to show that he had violently condemned it, in no uncertain terms, at least in 1983. 
    Come to think of it, this wasn't very consistent... But anyway, that wasn't the point. 

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    Re: Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
    « Reply #10 on: March 09, 2024, 09:45:38 PM »
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  • I don't like throwing dates around as a proof of integrity, but since you started... 😉 I had been with the SSPX since 1981 and I have attended SSPX schools in Europe for all my school years save a couple...
    Ha ha, touche! We must be contemporaries. I think we are on the same page!


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    Re: Lenten Preparation with Archbishop Lefebvre
    « Reply #11 on: March 10, 2024, 12:04:41 AM »
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  • I am of the same opinion with Plenus here. Archbishop Lefebvre definitely condemns certain provisions of the New Code especially Canon 844, §4 allows the administration of penance, anointing of the sick, and even holy communion to non-Catholics who manifest “Catholic faith” in these sacraments. This used to be considered a mortal sin and was gravely forbidden (1917 Code of Canon Law, canon 731, §21) because it implicitly denies the dogma, “Outside the Church, no salvation”.

    However, with regards to penitential discipline, it can clearly be changed as has been done many times long before Vatican II. How many traditional Catholics actually observe the ancient Church discipline of fasting on bread and water only and avoiding dairy and eggs for the entire Lent?