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Offline nonpossumus

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+Lefebvre on Good Friday
« on: February 28, 2025, 09:59:38 AM »
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  • Not sure if this has been brought up before, but I haven't seen anything. Does anyone know from perhaps having gone to Econe back in the day, did Mgr. Lefebvre kneel at the Good Friday oration for the Jews? 

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    Re: +Lefebvre on Good Friday
    « Reply #1 on: February 28, 2025, 10:24:06 AM »
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  • Side note:  I was told by a priest at Saint Thomas Aquinas that when Abp. Lefebvre started Econe he was approached by some Vatican II modernist who said, "Mgsr., would you please allow the gospel to be said in the vernacular?," and so he allowed the gospel to be read out loud as the deacon sang the gospel.  But then the modernists came back and asked for more changes, and Abp. Lefebvre said "no."  He figured out very quickly that the enemy only wants a few changes here and there until the whole thing becomes one jumbled mess. 
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    Re: +Lefebvre on Good Friday
    « Reply #2 on: February 28, 2025, 01:18:50 PM »
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  • Side note:  I was told by a priest at Saint Thomas Aquinas that when Abp. Lefebvre started Econe he was approached by some Vatican II modernist who said, "Mgsr., would you please allow the gospel to be said in the vernacular?," and so he allowed the gospel to be read out loud as the deacon sang the gospel.  But then the modernists came back and asked for more changes, and Abp. Lefebvre said "no."  He figured out very quickly that the enemy only wants a few changes here and there until the whole thing becomes one jumbled mess.
    At many of the Society’s chapels throughout France, this practice of reading the gospel in the vernacular from the pulpit while the priest says it in Latin at the altar is still done today. I was at St Nicolas du Chardonnet earlier this year and witnessed this myself.
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    Re: +Lefebvre on Good Friday
    « Reply #3 on: February 28, 2025, 04:29:17 PM »
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  • At many of the Society’s chapels throughout France, this practice of reading the gospel in the vernacular from the pulpit while the priest says it in Latin at the altar is still done today. I was at St Nicolas du Chardonnet earlier this year and witnessed this myself.

    I'm pretty sure that also started under Pius XII ad experimentum.

    While it is redundant to read it twice, those of us who know Latin would prefer to hear the Latin, and as long as the priest (or deacon) does read/sin it, it's Liturgically permissible ... but all this vernarcular stuff in general is both insulting and unnecessary.  See, we've long gotten past the point where books are expensive and most people can't afford them.  There's nothing to prevent the faithful from just reading it themselves in the vernacular, but they might even learn some Latin if they had a little printout with the two there side by side, Latin and vernarcular.  My father dropped out of school after 4th grade to work, since they were poor and school not mandatory, but he got to the point where he knew what almost every word in the Mass meant by just folling in his Missal and comparing it to the vernacular.  So people are too stupid today?  That's to say nothing of the fact that you can have a more contemplative experience of the Mass precisely by NOT understanding all the words but in hearing the sacred tongue spoken, etc.