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Hello everyone, my name is Tomas and this is my first post on this forum. This work comes mostly from reading the Septuagint bible and comparing it with other more recent translations of the Bible.
"The Septuagint (from the Latin septuaginta, "seventy") is a translation of the Hebrew Bible and some related texts into Koine Greek. As the primary Greek translation of the Old Testament, it is also called the Greek Old Testament...
The title (Greek: ? ?????????? ??? ???????????, lit. "The Translation of the Seventy") and its Roman numeral acronym LXX refer to the legendary seventy Jєωιѕн scholars who solely translated the Five Books of Moses into Koine Greek as early as the 3rd century BCE." Wikipedia
The Septuagint separates itself from other translations of the Bible as it is untainted by the Masoretic Translation of the Bible done between the 7th and 10th centuries AD.
To God be the Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory, now and forever.
Job 1:11 takes place during a discussion between Satan and God regarding Job's devotion to God as a servant. It is a statement issued forth from the mouth of Satan himself challenging Job's steadfast loyalty.
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New International Version
But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."
New Living Translation
But reach out and take away everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face!"
English Standard Version
But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”
New American Standard Bible
"But put forth Your hand now and touch all that he has; he will surely curse You to Your face."
King James Bible
But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
But stretch out Your hand and strike everything he owns, and he will surely curse You to Your face."
International Standard Version
However, stretch out your hand and strike everything he owns, and he will curse you to your face."
NET Bible
But extend your hand and strike everything he has, and he will no doubt curse you to your face!"
New Heart English Bible
But put forth your hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will renounce you to your face."
God'S WORD® Translation
But now stretch out your hand, and strike everything he has. I bet he'll curse you to your face."
JPS Tanakh 1917
But put forth Thy hand now, and touch all that he hath, surely he will blaspheme Thee to Thy face.'
New American Standard 1977
“But put forth Thy hand now and touch all that he has; he will surely curse Thee to Thy face.”
Jubilee Bible 2000
But put forth thy hand now and touch all that he has, and thou shalt see if he will not blaspheme thee to thy face.
King James 2000 Bible
But put forth your hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.
American King James Version
But put forth your hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.
American Standard Version
But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will renounce thee to thy face.
Douay-Rheims Bible
But stretch forth thy hand a little, and touch all that he hath, and see if he blesseth thee not to thy face.
Darby Bible Translation
But put forth thy hand now and touch all that he hath, [and see] if he will not curse thee to thy face!
English Revised Version
But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will renounce thee to thy face.
Webster's Bible Translation
But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
World English Bible
But put forth your hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will renounce you to your face."
Masoretic
1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.[/color][/b]
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Septuagint
1:11 But put forth thine hand, and touch all that he has: verily he will bless thee to [thy] face.
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As you can see, the contents of the final statement in the different versions[he will _____ you to your face!] are greatly OPPOSITE from each other, specifically, the Masoretic text and subsequent translations of it say [he will CURSE you to your face] (or blaspheme, blesseth thee not, renounce), while the Septuagint bible clearly says [he will BLESS you to your face].
Now bear with me here, but seeing as that the The Bible is a work of God and the source of truth, it follows that BOTH of these statements, regardless of the fact that the meaning of bless and curse are opposites, are true. From this we can deduce that since both statements are truth, To Bless God to His Face is equal to cursing God to His face {a very bad thing, the very aim of the devil himself to force Job to do in the story}. The fact that the world bless was changed to curse (which I suspect happened during the Masoretic translation in which I believe there are some confusions due to Hebraic vowels) only conceals my hypothesis that in blessing God to his face - we are actually cursing him, in the newer translations.
Then I thought, well how could blessing God be a bad thing to do? and I examined the etiquette behind the action of blessing and found I knew that blessings take place in a particular fashion or order. Namely, from the top down. For instance, when one visits a Father [priestly or otherwise], the son or daughter should not bless the Father, but conversely, it is right for the Father to bless the son or daughter.
In the story of the book, it was the devil's whole intention in reducing Job's stature in the world to make him perform this very act, this act of cursing God which we have now deduced is equal to blessing God to his face. However, as we know, Job's faith was unrelenting and was not subdued by the devil's works upon him and as a result Job was greatly rewarded by God afterwards.
But how about us?
Do we curse God by blessing him to his face? After I had stumbled upon this and thought about it more and more, I attended mass regularly as usual and noticed something in the liturgical proceedings during The Mass.
""Gloria in excelsis Deo" is a Christian hymn known also as the Greater Doxology and the Angelic Hymn. The name is often abbreviated to Gloria in Excelsis or simply Gloria.
Glory to God in the highest. " Wikipedia
Gloria in excelsis Deo
And on earth peace to men of good will.
We praise You.
We bless You. [/size]
We adore you.
We glorify You.
We give You thanks for Your great glory.
O Lord God, heavenly King, God the Father almighty.
O Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son.
O Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father: you Who take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.
You Who take away the sins of the world, receive our prayer.
You Who sit at the right hand of the Father, have mercy on us.
For you alone are holy.
You alone are the Lord.
You alone, O Jesus Christ, are most high.
Together with the Holy Spirit in the glory of God the Father.
Amen.
When I had noticed this, I was startled and bothered, because I feared that my hypothesis was true. As a result I can no longer say the words "We bless you" during the Gloria, and I omit them.
It is so bad that even during the proceedings of the Eucharistic ritual, because I fear the truth of my hypothesis, I also now omit from my speech the words "Blessed be God forever".
I imagined that it was perhaps due to some type of corruption by Satan's infiltration of The Church, or maybe the result of some innocent mistake, because to Bless God seems fairly innocuous at first, anyhow.
This matter has me greatly troubled, and I would appreciate any feedback from those greater versed in Theology than I am [which is very little]. Thank you for your time!
Tomas
Topic: Job 1:11 (Read 799 times)