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Offline Histrionics

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Jesus words at Easter to Maria Valtorta
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2015, 06:16:05 PM »
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  • Interesting that those who castigate others for being unable to resist the personality cult of +Fellay fall into the same trap with +Williamson, hopping from one to another.

    Offline Nickolas

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    « Reply #46 on: April 08, 2015, 07:34:46 PM »
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  • Here we are not one week out of Good Friday and Easter, and so much energy spent on personal revelations of Maria Valtorta.  

    What a complete and utter waste of time.  No thanks to Hollingsworth for starting it.  None of us has to read it, of course, but still it is disappointing the meaninglessness of the woman's writings has caught so much attention for so long.  

    I am a convert, so personal revelations are something new to me of sorts.  I refuse to consider a seer to be a victim of any means of the word.  She is a sinner just like everyone else, so when I read that this or that person has a special word from God that we all must know about, I am suspicious and admit it, all or most others who have read such writings must at some time have been dubious also at some time or the other, when reading writings couched in a chummy vernacular.  

    Our Blessed Lord, I hope, will forgive me, but I personally have not the time to consider such manner of revelation to be true or not and for the building of the faith, there is too much out there to help me without muddling up my mind with private revelation taken public.  Even with validation of a bishop, pope, or whomever, there is too much room for pride to enter in to such writings.  "Look at me, God has sent me a message for all of you to read".  I don't mean to mock all revelation, forgive me for seeming to do so, but really, folks, considering the crisis in the Church, perhaps private revelation like the Man God poem is better left private for those who want to take the time to indulge in it, but please, don't try to cram it down our throats.  It is a distraction.  

    ("Father is weary..."?  Really??


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    « Reply #47 on: April 08, 2015, 08:06:11 PM »
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  • Nickolas:
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    Our Blessed Lord, I hope, will forgive me, but I personally have not the time to consider such manner of revelation to be true or not and for the building of the faith, there is too much out there to help me without muddling up my mind with private revelation taken public.


    Nicklolas, you had enough time to compose this post, and numbers of others besides.  Surely you could carve out a little time to look more deeply into the revelation.

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    Even with validation of a bishop, pope, or whomever, there is too much room for pride to enter in to such writings. "Look at me, God has sent me a message for all of you to read".


    Ah, so you're saying that Maria wrote out of pride?  Did you get this from ladislaus?

     
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    I don't mean to mock all revelation, forgive me for seeming to do so, but really, folks, considering the crisis in the Church, perhaps private revelation like the Man God poem is better left private for those who want to take the time to indulge in it, but please, don't try to cram it down our throats. It is a distraction.


    Am I trying to cram Maria Valtorta down anyone's throat?  It's the Cathinfo illuminati who have kept this thread alive for so many pages.  They've made me feel so bad in the process that I'll probably have only one helping at dinner tonight.  Meanwhile, Nickolas, I don't want to be the one who distracts you from paying full attention to the "crisis in the Church." :laugh1:

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    « Reply #48 on: April 08, 2015, 08:59:22 PM »
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  • Hollingsworth, this is a forum, after all, not your blog.  Let those who disagree with you do so and move on.  Have the humility to know that people may not agree with you and that's OK.  Nothing personal to you, so don't let it be with you.  

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    « Reply #49 on: April 08, 2015, 09:08:25 PM »
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  •   Nothing can replace the sacrifice of the Cross. No devotion, not even to the Blessed Virgin, can replace the holy sacrifice of the Mass. Indeed, the Blessed Virgin encourages us to come to the cross; she is always present there.  -- Archbishop Lefebvre
    May God bless you and keep you


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    « Reply #50 on: April 08, 2015, 11:38:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    I find it very difficult to believe that you wordy trads, most of whom, I believe, are now, apparently, somewhat aligned with Bp. Williamson and the newest bishop, Bp. Faure, can continue to trust and follow these two honored clerics.  Because Bp. Williamson does not  only recommend her writings highly, he encourages folks to reread her works over an over again.  You are the same 'shining ones' who went off on the "seer," when H.E. spoke positively and affirmatively of her visions in a fairly recent EC.  It appears now, that whenever these "resistance" bishops say anything of potential substance in the future, we'll have to check back with a bevy of all-knowing Cathinfo trads, to see if their Episcopal declarations pass muster.  Some of you, IMO, are turning into a joke.   :stare:


    Is shrill, histrionic, irrational hyperbole really the tack you want to take in defending this prohibited work? Because you (and the other person throwing Novus Ordo imprimaturs around) really ought to realize that it only further damages your already irreparably damaged cause.

    The placement of the book on the index, as well as the books own manifest objective heresies and blasphemies speak louder than the private, fallible "recommendations" of three or four people, no matter how holy they might be. One needn't be "all-knowing" to accept that very simple fact.

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    « Reply #51 on: April 09, 2015, 11:23:09 AM »
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  • “No fault is so great that it is not amenable to Redemption; no memory of past sins or blame should be an obstacle to our advancing in Goodness, and we must not offend the good Lord by thinking that He is so little a Father, as to be more of a Judge than a Saviour.” –Maria Valtorta -  

    It's interesting how things work. A couple days ago, I innocently posted a passage from the Easter writings of Maria Valtorta from her 1944 book entitled Notebooks.  I was immediately set upon by members of what can only be described as the 'Cathinfo Illuminati.'  They said terrible things about Maria and about me.  So fierce was their assault that it  kept me awake last night.  I managed only 8 & 3/4 hours of sleep.  
    The next morning, after an hour or so of devotions and saying the Rosary, I went to the computer, downloaded a short reflection from Maria, and posted it above.  I copied, also, a photo of this mystic as a beautiful young woman.  I shall now take it to Walmart, get it enlarged, purchase a frame, then hang that image of the mystic on the wall alongside great saints like St. Rose, St. Bernadette, and St. John Vianni.  Hereafter, as I stand in front of the woman's picture, I shall ask Maria Valtorta to pray for me and my loved ones.  I shall ask her to pray that I may become as holy as I think she was.
    Thank you BTNYC, ladislaus, Nadir and others for helping some of us to refocus deserved attention upon this wonderful woman.

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    « Reply #52 on: April 09, 2015, 11:48:44 AM »
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    A couple days ago, I innocently posted a passage from the Easter writings of Maria Valtorta from her 1944 book entitled Notebooks.  I was immediately set upon by members of what can only be described as the 'Cathinfo Illuminati.'


    Stop it already, you pathetic little drama queen.  I simply responded with a two-word post; it's you who got your panties all knotted up about it.  At no point have you ever attempted a defense of the contents of Valtorta's but continue on with your puerile ad hominems.


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    « Reply #53 on: April 09, 2015, 11:49:50 AM »
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    I copied, also, a photo of this mystic as a beautiful young woman.  ... Hereafter, as I stand in front of the woman's picture, I shall ask Maria Valtorta to pray for me and my loved ones.


    Better yet, put her picture under your pillow and periodically take it out during the night and continually kiss her image on the lips.  That would be more apropos to her "spirituality".

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    « Reply #54 on: April 09, 2015, 11:52:13 AM »
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    I shall now take it to Walmart, get it enlarged, purchase a frame, then hang that image of the mystic on the wall ...


    You don't have much of a life, do you?

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    « Reply #55 on: April 09, 2015, 11:53:58 AM »
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    False locutions.


    My vicious attack in the second post of this thread.


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    « Reply #56 on: April 09, 2015, 12:03:43 PM »
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  • I don't think I've ever read such an immature, petulant comment on Cathinfo, and that's saying something.  

    More so, all your comments in this thread H are saturated in pride and reveling in nastiness.  There were no honest responses, no civil discussion, no answering questions, but lots of illogical hyperbole.  You sound like a man possessed.  

    They say that like attracts like, so you will enjoy your new picture in your present state of mind.  

    btw, there was nothing 'innocent' in your motive to begin this topic.  You revealed your intent in every sarcastic evasive retort.

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    « Reply #57 on: April 09, 2015, 12:36:37 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson is doing harm to souls by encouraging people to read this crap. Pick up Emmerich or Agreda instead.

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    « Reply #58 on: April 09, 2015, 12:37:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/VALTORTA.TXT

    Good overview here.

    Evidence for Pius XII's approval is very weak at best, based on a second-hand report from a biased source ... and even the reported comment is extremely vague.



    How dare you cite the disgusting Novus Ordo filth of EWTN as a credible authority in this respectable intellectual debate?
    "Let us thank God for having called us to His holy faith. It is a great gift, and the number of those who thank God for it is small."
    -- St. Alphonsus de Liguori

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    « Reply #59 on: April 09, 2015, 12:45:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: MiserereMeiDeus
    How dare you cite the disgusting Novus Ordo filth of EWTN as a credible authority in this respectable intellectual debate?

    A Novus Ordo imprimatur is worthless (i.e., the bishop is in union with a false church, is possibly invalidly consecrated and much of the time isn't even Catholic), while a Novus Ordo website might have some good information. Understand the difference?