Author Topic: It is bad the Host falls... (Read 1370 times)

spouse of Jesus · « **on:** July 17, 2009, 05:16:10 AM »

I have a big question about the Eucharist...
It is Jesus. it is God. I believe in this.
But God is present on the floor and in many many places that are not very clean.
And Jesus (who is the Man-God) slept and sat on the ground.
So why is it disrespectful to place the Eucharist on the ground????
Please don't call me a troll or a mocker, It is a real question for me!

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2009, 07:12:34 AM »

I have the same question about the use of gold in making sacred vessels. I have heard that the only reason that gold is called percious is it's rareness. so if there were a lot of gold and very little amount of pebble, the former would be cheap and the latter expensive. I wonder if there is any difference between them in God's eyes. Perhaps choosing gold is because it is incrruptible?
But again... God is persent even in...

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2009, 08:49:32 AM »

You would have to read St. Thomas on the different modes of God's presence.

He is in all things by omnipresence -- but He is in the Sacred Host as He is in heaven. He is physically present there. That is why we genuflect before the Sacred Host (and Precious Blood), but not anything else God created.

What is the difference?

If you take a rotten apple and step on it, maul it, flush it down the toilet, God will not be offended. He created the apple and holds it in existence by His power, but that is all.

But if you did all that to a Sacred Host (God forbid!) He would be VERY MUCH offended, and you would be committing a mortal sin of sacrilege because you're doing that to God Himself!

See, there is a large difference.

Matthew

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2009, 08:52:15 AM »

Quote from: spouse of Jesus

I have the same question about the use of gold in making sacred vessels. I have heard that the only reason that gold is called percious is it's rareness. so if there were a lot of gold and very little amount of pebble, the former would be cheap and the latter expensive. I wonder if there is any difference between them in God's eyes. Perhaps choosing gold is because it is incrruptible?
But again... God is persent even in...

In a hypothetical universe where clay is more precious than gold, and kings wear crowns of clay, etc. then yes, the Church would probably mandate that chalices be made of clay. But why worry about universes that don't exist?

The reason precious metals are used, is because they are the best materials Man can provide to hold Jesus Christ, God Himself, during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

I wouldn't say gold is only special because of its rareness -- it's beautiful to most people, it's soft and easy to work with, it doesn't corrupt, etc. Mankind has liked gold for a very, very long period of time -- since the dawn of creation.

Matthew

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2009, 09:49:27 AM »

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But God is present on the floor and in many many places that are not very clean.

Remember the anointing of the feet of Jesus with the expensive oil? And some of the apostles complained?

If we are worshipping God we should show an attitude of utmost respect.

Remember it says:

"Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord."

Now doesn't address exactly the point you're making, but it shows the attitude that must be taken. If some accident happens and no one can be blamed, it is just an accident. But if lack of care and negligence causes us to mistreat the Body and Blood of Christ, it must be sin, don't you think?

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2009, 04:00:07 PM »

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If you take a rotten apple and step on it, maul it, flush it down the toilet, God will not be offended. He created the apple and holds it in existence by His power, but that is all.

although He is present even in that apple.
So it show that Eucharistic presence is different.

Many thing, though innocent in themselves cannot be done in the Church, or you will be guilty of sacrilege. However they are ok when you are elsewhere. including childish games, procreation, and speaking with your friends.
Now I understood.

But wasn't He touched by many while on earth?

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2009, 04:23:22 PM »

I will try to answer your question --

At least Christ, when He lived on earth 2,000 years ago, was not veiled under the appearances of bread and wine.

So today, if "everyone" can touch Him without distinction, we are likely to lose faith in the Real Presence -- and this is exactly what happened in the Catholic Church starting in 1969.

After a while, after decades of treating the Sacred Body of Christ like a cracker eaten at a common meal, large numbers of Catholics stopped believing in the Real Presence.

At any rate, the Catholic Church guided by the Holy Ghost ended the practice of Communion in the Hand centuries ago -- it must have been for a good reason.

We have a saying: "Familiarity breeds contempt".

Yes, we must love Christ like a father (or spouse) but what daughter or wife must not also have a certain respect for her father/husband? You can be close and familiar without taking away all respect.

Matthew

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2009, 02:15:52 AM »

You are right.

Thank all of you.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2009, 10:54:57 AM »

"If everything is sacred, then nothing is sacred."

You could say that since God created Satan, then God dwells within him, which we know is not true. You could say that about any inanimate object. Certain things are sacred, such as when God directed the Ark of the Covenant to be made.

I hope that makes sense.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #9 on:** July 22, 2009, 03:34:33 PM »

A Host fell during a NO Mass once. After Communion the priest joked that if the ground where It fell was not holy ground before, it is now! The congregation laughed. Then the folk band geared up for the final song complete with tambourine.

And the libs and Neo-Trads wonder why true Traditionalists stand up for the law of prayer. We see what laxity in this regard leads to.

Caraffa · « **Reply #10 on:** July 22, 2009, 03:52:38 PM »

45. If a consecrated host or any particle of it falls to the ground or floor, it is to be taken up reverently, a little water is to be poured over the place where it fell, and the place is to be dried with a purificator.-St. Pius V Papal Bull De Defectibus

How many NOers actually do this?