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Is the vigil of the Assumption (today) traditionally a day of fast and abstinence?

It's not mentioned here: http://sspx.org/en/rules-fast-and-abstinence
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  • Is the vigil of the Assumption (today) traditionally a day of fast and abstinence?

    It's not mentioned here: http://sspx.org/en/rules-fast-and-abstinence
    Vigil of the Assumption = meat only once today.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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  • Vigil of the Assumption = meat only once today.
    Who says?
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  • It was my understanding that this is true across the world except in the United States, where it's the Vigil of the Immaculate Conception instead, since Our Lady under that Title is the Patroness of the U.S.

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  • According to this, however, the Vigil of the Immaculate Conception was dropped in 1962.
    http://sspx.org/en/rules-fast-and-abstinence

    Fasting and complete abstinence were obligatory on the following days:

    Ash Wednesday
    Fridays and Saturdays in Lent
    Good Friday
    Holy Saturday (until midnight)
    Ember Days (Wednesday, Friday and Saturday)
    Vigil of Pentecost
    Vigil of Christmas
    [NB: both the Vigils of the Immaculate Conception and All Saints were omitted from the 1962 calendar]


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  • There's a half-fish for today on my Angelus calendar.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline SeanJohnson

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  • Confusing:

    The liturgical calendar on TRADITIO says neither fast nor abstinence today.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • The US fast/abstinence rules are very confusing and full of change due to 1) the indults granted during WWII which halted/minimized many penances, 2) the post-WWII re-introduction of fast/abstience by Pius XII, and then 3) the 1962 and 1969 changes which re-halted/deleted the vigils/penances all over again.  To say that the US (and Europe's) fast/abstinence laws were "inconsistant" during the 40s-70s is an epic understatement.

    Lastly, I read where the fast/abstinence rules were switched from the Assumption to the Immaculate Conception, for the US only (due to our specific consecration to the Immaculate Conception).

    Traditionally, (i.e. in normal catholic times, pre-1900s), I read where there were over 70 vigil days kept by Christianity (not including the 40 days of Lent).  I've heard a Byzantine priest say that they still fast/abstain "almost 1/3 of the year", which is consistant with the above numbers.



    https://acatholiclife.blogspot.com/2014/08/vigil-of-assumption-of-blessed-virgin.html

    The Catholic Encyclopedia around the time of St. Pius X in the early 1900s mentions: "In the United States only four of theses vigils are fast days: the vigils of Christmas, Pentecost, the Assumption, and All Saints."  The Vigil of the Assumption however ceased being a fast day by the early 1950s.  **This is probably due to the switch to the Immaculate Conception**

     However, its observance as a fast day is ancient as the Catholic Encyclopedia states, "Pope Nicholas I (d. 867), in his answer to the Bulgarians, speaks of the fast on the eves of Christmas and of the Assumption...The Synod of Seligenstadt (1022) mentions vigils on the eves of Christmas, Epiphany, the feast of the Apostles, the Assumption of Mary, St. Laurence, and All Saints, besides the fast of two weeks before the Nativity of St. John."


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  • Confusing:

    The liturgical calendar on TRADITIO says neither fast nor abstinence today.

    It's not confusing at all.

    In the United States, the Vigil of the Assumption has not been fast/abstinence since the 1950s.  In the U.S. that was moved to the Vigil of the Immaculate Conception.  But in 1962, they dropped that also.

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  • There's a half-fish for today on my Angelus calendar.

    That could be because SSPX always has a European bias and a disdain for the United States, so whoever compiled that calendar likely failed to take into account the move in the U.S. to the Immaculate Conception.

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  • Yes it is my understanding that there is no fast nor abstinence.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


    Offline SeanJohnson

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  • I just texted an SSPX priest this question:

    “Is today a day of fast and partial abstinence?”

    His answer:

    “Traditionally.”
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • I just texted an SSPX priest this question:

    “Is today a day of fast and partial abstinence?”

    His answer:

    “Traditionally.”

    Not in the U.S., not since the 1950s.  He's wrong.

    Offline SeanJohnson

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  • Good to see people expressing a willingness/interest in complying with the Church’s laws, regardless of what the right answer is, though.

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    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)