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Offline Everlast22

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Re: Is our Lady Co-Redemptrix? Vatican Catholic
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2024, 08:45:13 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 07, 2024, 08:43:14 AM
Another way to look at the expression is from the opposite angle ... Was Our Lady a cause of Our Redemption?  Yes, she was, an instrumental cause of Our Redemption.  That which is an instrumental cause of the Redemption, can be said in the sense of instrumental causality to be a Redeemer.  It was through her that the Redeemer can into the world, and by God's will, her cooperation became a necessary cause, a sine qua non for Our Redemption.

Or, were the Evangelists the authors of Sacred Scripture?  Yes, they were.  Now, the Holy Spirit was their Primary Author, but the Evangelists were instrumental-cause authors and could rightly be said to have been co-authors, even if their authorship was subordinate to that of the Holy Ghost.
Right, cause vs the instrument. Who is responsible for the cause, and who is the instrument.
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Is our Lady Co-Redemptrix? Vatican Catholic
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2024, 09:10:12 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 07, 2024, 06:11:32 AM
What are you babbling about?  Dimond Brothers do not hold the exaggerated view of infallibility that many SVs have come to hold.  No, the infallibility of universal discipline covers things that are imposed by the Church but not merely things that are permitted.  That's why beatifications are not considered infallible, but canonizations are.  Know what you're talking about before arrogantly smearing someone with a straw man, and deriding them with terms like "cope".
I think he’s asserting the opposite and I see his point, that it’s unreasonable to say that a prayer indulgenced by pope st pius x would be literally sinful to pray, which seems to be the logical conclusion of their position 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is our Lady Co-Redemptrix? Vatican Catholic
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2024, 09:10:50 AM »
Quote from: Everlast22 on February 07, 2024, 08:45:13 AM
Right, cause vs the instrument. Who is responsible for the cause, and who is the instrument.

But, you see, in scholastic terms, an instrument IS a cause, referred to as an instrumental cause.  We're just talking about two different causes.

It's like if I pick up a pen and write a letter.  I'm the formal cause of the contents of the letter, but the pen is the instrumental cause.  There could be no letter written if I did not have the pen.
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