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Offline ServusInutilisDomini

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Is classical music allowed in church?
« on: August 13, 2022, 02:49:09 PM »
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  • Are concerts of profane, not sacral, classical music allowed in a church?

    Does attendance constitute a sin?


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    Re: Is classical music allowed in church?
    « Reply #1 on: August 13, 2022, 04:21:27 PM »
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  • Are concerts of profane, not sacral, classical music allowed in a church?

    Does attendance constitute a sin?
    From what I understand...  Classical music can be allowed in a church before and after Mass but should not take place during the Mass itself. 

    For example: A prelude of postlude piece with violins and trumpets is allowed when a bishop and high ranking monarch enter or leave a chapel.  But, such should not take place during the Mass or sacred functions themselves.

    But what do you mean by profane?  Like music that takes God's name in vain?  Or are you talking about someone hosting an Opera in a Catholic church?  
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    Re: Is classical music allowed in church?
    « Reply #2 on: August 15, 2022, 09:25:18 AM »
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  • Quote from: ServusInutilisDomini 8/13/2022, 2:49:09 PM
    Are concerts of profane, not sacral, classical music allowed in a church?

    Does attendance constitute a sin?
    Your title and your post are not in sync.

    Many classical artists contributed to music for the mass:
    - beethoven
    - brahms
    - Hayden
    - Vivaldi
    - bach
    - Mozart
    - verdi
    - Dvorak
    And others.

    The first musical canon had appeared in France in 1288.

    The Bible is full of verses which encourage us to sing to the Lord.

    As for having a concert in church, this seems to answer it well:

    Canon law 1210 "Only those things which serve the exercise or promotion of worship, piety, or religion are permitted in a sacred place; anything not consonant with the holiness of the place is forbidden. In an individual case, however, the ordinary can permit other uses which are not contrary to the holiness of the place."

    Sacred space should almost always only be used for sacred events. A church is not a public gathering space or hall; it is dedicated to the worship of Almighty God.

    Obviously there are many classic religious pieces of music that were written for churches and to be performed in churches. Concerts of this type make sense to take place in a church. Though they are not liturgical, they are explicitly designed to raise our attention to worship of God.

    In such situations, the Blessed Sacrament should be removed to an alternate place of reservation for the duration of the event.
    Secular music concerts are not permitted in churches. Music that is not religious in nature is not appropriate in sacred space dedicated to worship. To permit merely secular music reduces the space to a simple rental hall.

    https://www.catholic.com/qa/concerts-in-churches

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    Re: Is classical music allowed in church?
    « Reply #3 on: August 15, 2022, 09:38:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: AMDGJMJ 8/13/2022, 4:21:27 PM
    From what I understand...  Classical music can be allowed in a church before and after Mass but should not take place during the Mass itself. 

    Bach composed five Kyrie–Gloria masses, the first of which was later expanded to the Mass in B minor. He also set the Sanctus part of the mass liturgy a few times, and copied and arranged mass-related compositions by other composers.

    Mozart, Beethoven, and Brahms are just a few other great composers who've set the Latin Mass to music.

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    Re: Is classical music allowed in church?
    « Reply #4 on: August 15, 2022, 03:14:26 PM »
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  • I understand very well that composers wrote sacral music, that is why I specified profane, non sacral.

    I was interested to know whether a concert of something like Vivaldi's Four Seasons was permissible in a church.

    Is this a use contrary to the holiness of the place? I understand it is not desirable but is it sinful?

    According to my interpretation of this invalid 1983 canon it is allowed and not sinful.

    I haven't found a canon in the 1917 code yet.


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    Re: Is classical music allowed in church?
    « Reply #5 on: August 15, 2022, 03:32:05 PM »
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  • I understand very well that composers wrote sacral music, that is why I specified profane, non sacral.

    I was interested to know whether a concert of something like Vivaldi's Four Seasons was permissible in a church.

    Is this a use contrary to the holiness of the place? I understand it is not desirable but is it sinful?

    According to my interpretation of this invalid 1983 canon it is allowed and not sinful.

    I haven't found a canon in the 1917 code yet.
    You may find this thread of help:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/ethics-for-performance-in-churches/msg825325/#msg825325

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    Re: Is classical music allowed in church?
    « Reply #6 on: August 15, 2022, 06:20:57 PM »
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  • While others have answered the question, I personally don't really care for the "Classical Music" Masses ... during sacred ceremonies.  I know that there was a great deal of debate by Church leaders over whether to admit even polyphonic chant.  They did finally give their approval because it seemed to them to meet the requirements for sacred music.  To summarize, for them the music during a sacred liturgy had to sound like a prayer and not a performance or entertainment.  Polyphony met their requirements, but I doubt that most classical music pieces would.  That's separate from whether outside of a sacred ceremony, it would be OK, but -- I don't know -- perhaps the Blessed Sacrament should be removed.  Just some idle thoughts.

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    Re: Is classical music allowed in church?
    « Reply #8 on: August 17, 2022, 01:58:27 PM »
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  • I understand very well that composers wrote sacral music, that is why I specified profane, non sacral.

    I was interested to know whether a concert of something like Vivaldi's Four Seasons was permissible in a church.

    Is this a use contrary to the holiness of the place? I understand it is not desirable but is it sinful?

    According to my interpretation of this invalid 1983 canon it is allowed and not sinful.

    I haven't found a canon in the 1917 code yet.
    As I mentioned, your title and your OP are not in sync.

    I answered your title: yes, classical music is allowed in Church. 

    To answer your OP, concerts are NEVER allowed in Church.  (However, I was told by a trad priest it is o.k. to attend a concert at a (small "c") church, provided the concert is in a hall and not the area of false worship.)