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Offline Mark 79

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Re: The New Jerusalem Bible
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2024, 08:38:37 PM »
It takes an honest man to say that. Truth always, before everything.
Thank you.

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Re: The New Jerusalem Bible
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2024, 08:56:50 PM »
Forgive me if I am hijacking the thread, but since you are discussing translations, I once made a thread about the "original texts" as mentioned by Pius XII, and I got zero answers.

If you know anything about it, I would very much like to know. Below is the link to the thread I made years ago and its text:

https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/divino-afflante-spiritu-which-original-texts-of-the-scripture/


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In 1943, we have yet another controversial initiative by the last (so far) Catholic Pope, Pius XII.

His Holiness published the encyclical Divino Afflante Spiritu, on which he says that the original texts of Holy Writ should be used for future translations of the Bible.

In my opinion this is a very dangerous move, since the Vulgate by St. Jerome had always been the definite and official version of the Bible, and was free from any and all (doctrinal) error.

It might be interesting for scholars to use original texts, but I can see no good reason to make something other than the Vulgate or a good translation of it avaliable to the general faithful as an approved version.

I read just yesterday in the fantastic judaism.is website that the "Hebrew Bible" is actually a corrupted version of the Old Testament, altered to erase the most obvious references to Our Lord, in a way that people would not believe that He is the messiah.

I also would like thank Mr. Mark 79 for his fantastic website.

As far as I know, the most reliable source for the Old Testament is the Septuagint, since the hebrew texts that St. Jerome used are not avaliable anymore. The Dead Sea Scrolls could also be useful, but they were not easily obtainable during the 40s and 50s, as far as I know.

Anyway, what I would like to know is what manuscripts were accepted to be used from 1943 to 1958? Was the Masoretic Text (the Hebrew Bible) ever accepted? What other controversial texts were used? The encyclical makes no reference to what can be considered an original text. It simply opens a very dangerous door and leaves it there, unguarded.



Offline DecemRationis

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Re: The New Jerusalem Bible
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2024, 09:18:35 AM »
Forgive me if I am hijacking the thread, but since you are discussing translations, I once made a thread about the "original texts" as mentioned by Pius XII, and I got zero answers.

If you know anything about it, I would very much like to know. Below is the link to the thread I made years ago and its text:

https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/divino-afflante-spiritu-which-original-texts-of-the-scripture/

Giovanni,

Since the translators do not identify the particular manuscripts they replied upon, I don't think it's possible to identify the actual original texts used. For example, the General Editor's  forward to the New Jerusalem Bible simply states, as to texts used for translation, "the translation has been made directly from the Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic."

The footnotes often address textual issues and refer to the Hebrew and Greek, but you'd have to go through them all - and they are quite extensive - in a book over 2000 pages, and even then you'd have to infer what original text of the Hebrew or Greek was being used based on the original language reference in the note, as the manuscripts used aren't identified.

There is a system for numbering/identifying the Greek texts of the New Testament, and there are detailed Greek texts of the New Testament which identify alternative reading by manuscript using those numbers, but that's a different topic.

DR