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Offline Pelly

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« on: December 11, 2013, 12:51:24 PM »
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  • My mom made my life miserable. I have Asperger's and this caused a lot of problems. Now my mom put me on the GFCF diet, but I want to escape for a reason and this is called Communion.
    I don't have a formal dx of leaky gut yet.
    I need to take under the appearance of wine, because I'm not keen on fractioning. And what should I do if it turns out that I'm sensitive to phenol and salycilates? But most of the priests won't give out the Chalice.
    I'm afraid that the priest in the SSPX chapel won't give this favor or worse, doesn't speak Hungarian.
    And what if getting a phenol-lite altar wine is too troublesome?
    Can you help me? And if all of the chances fail, can you bring me real Jesus?


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    « Reply #1 on: December 11, 2013, 03:04:28 PM »
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  • So we've come a full circle, have we, Pelly?
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 12, 2013, 03:35:36 AM »
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  • I need help. I don't want to sit impeded in a pew.
    And no hate please.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 13, 2013, 10:33:57 AM »
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    I need help. I don't want to sit impeded in a pew.
    And no hate please.


    Real Jesus = Latin Mass

    Go to Latin mass.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 13, 2013, 10:44:51 AM »
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  • @soulguard You didn't read the post fully. And I talked about SSPX, so not NO. And the Jesus hunting is the last resort if all of my accomodiation attempts (of course, with the Mass) fail.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 13, 2013, 11:06:51 AM »
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    @soulguard You didn't read the post fully. And I talked about SSPX, so not NO. And the Jesus hunting is the last resort if all of my accomodiation attempts (of course, with the Mass) fail.


    You make no sense whatsoever.

    If there is something in particular you want to say then say it in the same language as everyone else speaks, otherwise we wont know what you talk about.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 13, 2013, 11:22:11 AM »
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  • @souldguard In detail: I have to take the Precious Blood, as I'm not keen on fragmenting. But sadly, it is not mainstream so my priest will bar me from the Chalice. I don't have a formal dx yet but I can't change my mother's mind. I will have a test for:
    - candida;
    - leaky gut;
    - phenol and salycilate sensitivity.
    The worst chance is having a permanent leaky gut + phenol and salycilate sensitivity. I don't have money for a bowel transplant. And what if the priest doesn't give me the Chalice or worse, doesn't speak Hungarian.
    If the odds are against me, I need a real Jesus. In His REAL form, no gluten whatsoever.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 13, 2013, 12:39:34 PM »
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  • No one is allowed drink from the chalice! That is only for the priest!


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    « Reply #8 on: December 13, 2013, 01:10:30 PM »
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    Maybe the answer for you is the Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy, where the priest administers a small fragment of the consecrated bread which has been mixed with consecrated wine, and gives it in a tiny spoon.  He could perhaps get a drop of the consecrated wine alone for you.

    Otherwise, if you only have a Latin Mass to go to, maybe the priest would be able to break off a crumb about 6mm in size for you, Pelly.  If you talk to him in advance, he may be willing to do so.  You could arrange with him to remind him at the Communion rail, where you could hold up your thumb and forefinger separated by a tiny amount as if to say, "only a small piece, please."  Your priest may be willing to accommodate your simple request.

    This is not a new question.  People who are gluten intolerant have been unable to receive the host, so what do they do then?  

    Normally, a seminarian who discovers he is gluten intolerant can therefore be prohibited ordination.  Or if an already-ordained priest discovers he is gluten intolerant, I have heard of permission being granted for him to do something different for his Communion that is normally forbidden.


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    « Reply #9 on: December 13, 2013, 01:21:14 PM »
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  • But It would lose the Real Presence! And also, I don't have a Traditional Byzantine parish nearby. Only NO.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 13, 2013, 01:25:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    But It would lose the Real Presence! And also, I don't have a Traditional Byzantine parish nearby. Only NO.


    Pelly don't go to the NO. Stay at home and say an extra Rosary.

    Go to confession often to a priest ordained in the old rite just to be on the safe side.

    You can also return to a state of grace without making a confession to a priest... by reciting an Act of Contrition. Any words will do so long as you tell God that you are sorry for your sins.
     :cool:


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    « Reply #11 on: December 13, 2013, 01:38:10 PM »
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  • I have an SSPX nearby, but they're not Byzantine. So, I need to get Jesus (if the worst case comes).

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    « Reply #12 on: December 13, 2013, 01:48:48 PM »
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    In the 17th century, a man could not be ordained a priest if he was missing parts of his fingers, especially the index finger and the thumb.  When a priest lost his fingers in an accident or whatever, he could be prohibited from saying Mass.  

    Then St. Isaac Jogues returned from America with his fingers almost entirely missing, because the Iroquois had literally chewed them off of his hands, as a means of torture.  When the saint approached the Pope in this regard, the Pope gave him special permission to offer Mass even though his mangled fingers were less than what was normally required.  

    From the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1914:

    From New York he was sent; in mid-winter, across the ocean on a lugger of only fifty tons burden and after a voyage of two months, landed Christmas morning, 1643, on the coast of Brittany, in a state of absolute destitution. Thence he found his way to the nearest college of the Society [of Jesus - he was a Jesuit]. He was received with great honour at the court of the Queen Regent, the mother of Louis XIV, and was allowed by Pope Urban VII the very exceptional privilege of celebrating Mass, which the mutilated condition of his hands had made canonically impossible; several of his fingers having been eaten or burned off. He was called a martyr of Christ by the pontiff. No similar concession, up to that {preceding that time}, is known to have been granted.

    [Note: Isaac Jogues was canonized by Pope Pius XI on June 29, 1930, with seven other North American martyrs. Their collective feast day is October 19.]

    {Note:  Their collective feast day was originally set at Sept. 26th, with Sts. Cyprian and Justina commemorated, but during the Newchurch preliminary aggiornamento calendar revolution of 1962 under John XXIII, it was moved to October 19th.}


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    But It would lose the Real Presence!



    St. Isaac Jogues didn't 'lose the Real Presence' -  why would you?  

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    « Reply #13 on: December 13, 2013, 01:51:33 PM »
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  • I don't want to be a priest. I'm a girl.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #14 on: December 13, 2013, 02:05:32 PM »
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    I know you're a girl.  I didn't say you should want to be a priest.  I'm saying the Church can make exceptions in regards to how you receive Holy Communion.  Did you know that the Church can make exceptions?  You might be able to have permission to do something different, so long as you don't start a revolution or a lot of other problems.  

    Have you asked your priest about this?  

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