Author Topic: I read my missal for the first time today (Read 1249 times)

pat · « **on:** October 02, 2011, 04:26:40 PM »

let me preface by saying. (short bio) pre vatican ll Catholic. Sacraments through Confirmation 1967... parents stopped going... and we moved alot
went to protestant churches through the decades. of course none would satisfy the soul would it. (thus the reason for so many church hopping)

came back to the NO church 6 years ago... the priest presented Mass in a very holy way... other than english I was to far away from my youth to know the difference... this priest left and the things happening in mass (very protestant) left me feeling awful. I do not attend NO now. due to distance and transportation issue I am not able to attend a TLM

o.k. I read my missal for the first time.

I was shocked. I could see plainly how the NO is in no way the Mass.

I was shocked that Vatican ll could even have happened at all.

I am thankful that God has brought this to my awareness.

It is freeing to know I really am not associated in the beliefs of the NO

I am sad for those who have allowed themselves to be deceived (and I mean the pre vatican ll people.

for the converts.... what can I say... of course those in the Vll will be accountable for many lost souls.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #1 on:** October 02, 2011, 06:47:15 PM »

Hi Pat, I am new here as well, but please allow me to welcome you!

I used to be a Protestant pastor; I was RAISED in Protestantism, even though I had many relatives who were Catholic, and many who were Novus Ordo, but also many who BEGAN as traditional Catholics and had to watch their Church being invaded by heretics.

Even when I was a KID and TOTALLY ignorant of Church history and of the truths of the Faith, I would read my grandmother's Missal or some other holy book or pamphlet, and I would realize that the hand-holding gobbledy-gook coming out of the hippies at the local 'faith community' (you know, they used to be called PARISHES and they had CHURCHES, not campfire sing-alongs)
was absolute nonsense.

I once went to a 'confirmation' at my cousins' family's Lutheran building. I walked in and realized (at maybe age 10 or so), "WHOA! This place LOOKS, SOUNDS and ACTS JUST LIKE THE WEIRDOS at the local Catholic church near me!"

I simply couldn't believe that the solemn, dignified and reverent things I saw as a VERY young boy (when I was a kid, I attended a few services on Sundays that were still Traditional as far as I remember; at least in Latin, ad orientem, etc) had been replaced by not only NON-traditional 'services', but by the VERY same aesthetic, 'music', rubrics and attitudes of liberalism that I heard from the Lutheran speaker and his bunch!

I'm glad you're here... I'm VERY glad you've come to see the value of Tradition, and how dangerous the NO is... you've only just begun to discover how sinister it all starts looking.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

pat · « **Reply #2 on:** October 02, 2011, 08:13:21 PM »

thanks for the welcome stephen :smile:

Vladimir · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2011, 08:19:56 PM »

How long has there been a common practice to follow a long in a missal?

There were small Sunday missals issued to soldiers during WWII, but before that it seems like the trend was to have prayer books with prayers that could be said in union with the priest at the various parts of the ordinary instead of having the faithful actually read along with what the priest was praying.

ora pro me · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2011, 10:40:26 PM »

Stephen Francis,
I see in your post that you used to be a Protestant minister. Have you by chance read the books by Paul Whitcomb? He was a Protestant minister who converted to the Catholic Faith, I think back in the 50s.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #5 on:** October 03, 2011, 08:54:06 AM »

@ora pro me:

No, I haven't, but I will search my county library system and see if I can locate any of them; otherwise, I will find them on Amazon (and support CathInfo).

What's genuinely humorous to me is how many people have supposedly 'converted' to the Novus Ordo from Protestantism and yet have not gone nuts over things that usually make the Prots hopping mad, like 'prayer services' with heretics and infidels, etc.

I guess most of the 'converts' to the NO are coming from Prot denominations that already play at being 'catholic-lite' anyway, like the Lutherans and the Episcopalians.

Thanks for the recommendation... hope I can find those books!

ora pro me · « **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2011, 01:45:36 PM »

Stephen Francis,
I did a google search and found the books (actually they are "booklets") online at:

http://www.catholicbook.com/AgredaCD/why.htm#ans28

and

http://olrl.org/apologetics/confessrc.shtml

You can also find them on Amazon. I only know of the 2 above that Paul Whitcomb wrote. They are "Confession of a Roman Catholic" and "The Catholic Church has the Answer". The first is Mr. Whitcomb's personal story of his own conversion to Catholicism and it is really quite fascinating and a great review of some fundamental Catholic doctrines for all Catholics. He explains how he came to Catholicism through the Bible. The 2nd booklet is a study of many of the Catholic fundamental doctrines with simple explanations and again he gives corresponding Bible quotes for each teaching.

I see that you can find them on Amazon for a penny, plus the shipping. Maybe you can find both from the same dealer so you may only have to pay one shipping fee. If you have a local Catholic bookstore you can find them each for $2.50.

One other link that you may find interesting (although I haven't perused the whole page) is:

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/index.htm

ora pro me · « **Reply #7 on:** October 09, 2011, 06:14:40 PM »

Stephen Francis and anyone looking for the booklets that I mentioned above, please see the links in my post above where you will find Paul Whitcomb's writings online. You can also find the booklets on Amazon.

These two booklets are called "Confession of a Roman Catholic" which is his personal story of conversion and "The Catholic Church Has the Answer" which is a remarkable catechism really, with most of the basic Catholic doctrines and explanations of the Sacraments each just a short page or two long and all with the Scripture quotes that helped this man to come to the True Church and Sacraments. This booklet is written in a question and answer form with practically any question that a Protestant may think of asking you. It is perfect for any Catholic who is trying to defend his Faith.

This former Protestant minister, Paul Whitcomb converted from Protestantism to Catholicism in the 1950s through studying the Bible. His booklets were written after he became a Catholic and are very easy to understand explanations of many of the truths of our Catholic Faith. They are great to use for learning or reviewing many doctrines of the Faith.

Here are the links again:

http://www.catholicbook.com/AgredaCD/why.htm#ans28

http://olrl.org/apologetics/confessrc.shtml

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