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Online VerdenFell

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I Just Completed The First Five Saturdays Devotion
« on: May 03, 2025, 10:05:29 PM »
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    • Actually I've completed the entire devotion three separate times.
    What I don't really understand fully is the promise that I will receive all
    the graces necessary to be saved at the time of my death. Is it possible for a person to somehow
    lose those graces or reject them in the last moments of life? If so what reason would such a thing happen
    unless they were not in full possession of their faculties?
    Some have said that one of the graces is having access to the last rites but with such a scarcity of traditional
    priests that is becoming increasingly difficult. 
    Does the grace include inclining one's heart to have the proper disposition of contrition even if a priest isn't
    available?
    Any insights or explanations would be most welcome.
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    Offline Giovanni Berto

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    Re: I Just Completed The First Five Saturdays Devotion
    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2025, 10:47:39 PM »
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    • As I see it, the greatest grace that one could ask at the time of death is perfect contrition, since it is not dependent on the presence of a Traditionalist priest.

    Other than the state of grace, what else do we need to die a good death?
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    Re: I Just Completed The First Five Saturdays Devotion
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 05:52:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: VerdenFell on May 03, 2025, 10:05:29 PM
    Actually I've completed the entire devotion three separate times.
    What I don't really understand fully is the promise that I will receive all
    the graces necessary to be saved at the time of my death. Is it possible for a person to somehow
    lose those graces or reject them in the last moments of life? If so what reason would such a thing happen
    unless they were not in full possession of their faculties?
    Some have said that one of the graces is having access to the last rites but with such a scarcity of traditional
    priests that is becoming increasingly difficult.
    Does the grace include inclining one's heart to have the proper disposition of contrition even if a priest isn't
    available?
    Any insights or explanations would be most welcome.
    I think it certainly is possible to lose that grace, but only if we are insincere or do the 5 Saturdays with bad intentions or some such thing. But with God, all things are possible, especially promises made by Our Blessed Mother as long as we meet the conditions. the promise will be kept. IOW, the promise is conditional. 

    There is nothing in this world or the next that can prevent Our Lady from keeping her promise, as long as we do what She told us we must do. The schemes concerning the method Our Lady uses to fulfill Her promises we leave to the skeptics. 
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    Re: I Just Completed The First Five Saturdays Devotion
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 06:33:33 AM »
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    • So, I disagree with those who interpret Our Lady's promise as referring to merely sufficient grace.  God grants EVERYONE sufficient grace for salvation.

    I believe that Our Lady is in fact promising efficacious grace for salvation ... i.e. those who completed this devotion will be saved.

    Certainly God does not override free will, but I also believe that in honor of Our Lady, God would prevent anyone whom He in His foreknowledge knows will insist upon rejecting God and being damned from successfully completing the devotion, so it's similar to the grace St. Francis of Assisi received where God revealed to him that he was among the elect.  Generally someone who desire to make the devotion with ANY sense of love for Our Lady is not going to be the type who perseveres in hating God, rejecting Him, and damning himself (since at the end of the day each soul damns himself).

    God will work things out in His providence in such a way Our Lady will not be dishonored by someone completing the devotion and being lost anyway.



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    Re: I Just Completed The First Five Saturdays Devotion
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 06:57:47 AM »
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    • There's a lot of pressure from the Conciliars who insist upon making everything related to salvation subjective, i.e. ex opere operantis, and these are the same types that, following the Protestant heresies, attempt to take away the ex opere operato efficacy of the Sacraments.  So they declare the efficacy of the Holy Scapular and the First Saturday devotions to derive only from your subjective adherence thereto rather than on something objective guaranteed by God and Our Lady.  I call hogwash.  These are the same types that when accused of "worshipping" Our Lady will backtrack and start hemming and hawing to the point of reducing Our Lady to the same level as any other saint.

    If you've successfully completed what Our Lady requested, congratulations ... you will be saved.  God will not allow her to be dishonored by someone at the Last Judgment accusing His Mother ... "you promised this but lied".  Nor does God play technicalities.  "Aha!  Since I knew that you would be lost, I made it so that you didn't notice having skipped one Hail Mary during the Rosary, so technically you didn't fulfill the conditions.  Now off to Hell with you."  What kind of monster do people think God is?  It's blasphemous to think in these terms.  That would be the exact legalism that Our Lord condemned in the Pharisees.  PS:  this is why I reject as absurd +Sanborn's assertion that adding the Fatima prayer during the Rosary negates the indulgence.  Utterly absurd.  That's Pharisaical thinking that, unfortunately, some of the dogmatic SVs have slid at least partly into.  Does adding that prayer SUBSTANTIALLY alter the Holy Rosary, where it's really no longer the Rosary?  Of course not.
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    Re: I Just Completed The First Five Saturdays Devotion
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 06:57:47 AM
    There's a lot of pressure from the Conciliars who insist upon making everything related to salvation subjective, i.e. ex opere operantis, and these are the same types that, following the Protestant heresies, attempt to take away the ex opere operato efficacy of the Sacraments.  So they declare the efficacy of the Holy Scapular and the First Saturday devotions to derive only from your subjective adherence thereto rather than on something objective guaranteed by God and Our Lady.  I call hogwash.  These are the same types that when accused of "worshipping" Our Lady will backtrack and start hemming and hawing to the point of reducing Our Lady to the same level as any other saint.

    If you've successfully completed what Our Lady requested, congratulations ... you will be saved.  God will not allow her to be dishonored by someone at the Last Judgment accusing His Mother ... "you promised this but lied".  Nor does God play technicalities.  "Aha!  Since I knew that you would be lost, I made it so that you didn't notice having skipped one Hail Mary during the Rosary, so technically you didn't fulfill the conditions.  Now off to Hell with you."  What kind of monster do people think God is?  It's blasphemous to think in these terms.  That would be the exact legalism that Our Lord condemned in the Pharisees.  PS:  this is why I reject as absurd +Sanborn's assertion that adding the Fatima prayer during the Rosary negates the indulgence.  Utterly absurd.  That's Pharisaical thinking that, unfortunately, some of the dogmatic SVs have slid at least partly into.  Does adding that prayer SUBSTANTIALLY alter the Holy Rosary, where it's really no longer the Rosary?  Of course not.
    Thank you for that clarification. I took the devotion to be explicitly that assurance of salvation. There was a Saturday or two where I thought some blizzard might prevent me from getting to church but I was so determined that I was prepared to get out the snow shoes if need be!
    I was kind of surprised that so few people seem to take advantage of the devotion, at least judging by how short the confessional line has been before mass. In fact, I rarely see any of the regular attendees go to confession and I get there pretty early...but nearly everyone goes to communion. 
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